WEBVTT Kind: captions; Language: en 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:28.000 [...] 00:00:36.001 --> 00:00:42.000 Okay. Good morning, everyone. My name is Chris Freeland and I would like to 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:46.000 welcome you to the second session of today's Library Leaders Forum. 00:00:48.001 --> 00:00:52.001 So normally the Library Leaders Forum is an in-person event at our headquarters 00:00:52.001 --> 00:00:57.000 in San Francisco, but of course we couldn't do that this year. Instead, we're 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:02.001 having this conversation in three sessions over three weeks. Last week we had our 00:01:02.001 --> 00:01:07.000 policy session. This week is our community session and next Tuesday will be our 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.000 impact session where we'll bring it all together. So I mentioned that today's 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:15.001 topic is community. And today we're going to focus on the community of practice 00:01:15.001 --> 00:01:19.000 that has developed around controlled digital lending. And you're going to hear 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:24.000 from librarians who are bringing CDL into their operations and from experts that 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:28.000 are building the next generation of library tools that incorporate controlled 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:33.001 digital lending. So here's the game plan for today. We're going to set the stage 00:01:33.001 --> 00:01:37.001 for today's panel conversation with some background and some context setting. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.001 Then two of our engineers are going to join us in just a minute and walk us 00:01:42.001 --> 00:01:46.001 through some exciting new changes to our lending system and to give you a sneak 00:01:46.001 --> 00:01:51.000 peek into a new interface that we're testing to explore digital libraries. 00:01:51.001 --> 00:01:55.001 Then we're going to move into our panel discussion and I'll be facilitating that 00:01:55.001 --> 00:02:00.000 conversation with librarians, educators, and technologists about new developments 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.000 in the broader CDL community. 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:07.001 And as a final note, as I hope many of you know, the Internet Archive is being 00:02:07.001 --> 00:02:12.001 sued by four large commercial publishers over controlled digital lending. Now we 00:02:12.001 --> 00:02:17.000 won't be able to talk or comment on that active litigation, but instead what 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.001 we're going to do is talk about how libraries, including our own library, are 00:02:21.001 --> 00:02:25.000 using controlled digital lending to meet their patrons where they're working 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:31.000 right now, which like almost all of us is online. And because we're online all 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.000 the time, we've all become Zoom pros. But here are a couple of best practices 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:41.000 maybe to get the most out of today's session. Use the speaker view to view the 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:45.000 session. That way you can see who's talking and the slides that we're sharing. 00:02:45.001 --> 00:02:49.001 When we go into the panel, you might want to move into gallery view so that you 00:02:49.001 --> 00:02:55.000 can see all of the panelists and catch our reactions and expressions. And you can 00:02:55.000 --> 00:03:01.000 also submit questions to us using the Q&A feature of the webinar. 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.001 And you can also submit questions on Twitter using the 00:03:04.001 --> 00:03:06.000 hashtag empowering libraries. 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:12.000 Now you've heard me say the phrase controlled digital lending a couple of times 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.000 already, and I'd like to sort of explain what that means for those of you who 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:20.001 might not be familiar with the library practice of controlled digital lending. So 00:03:20.001 --> 00:03:24.000 controlled digital lending was developed by the copyright community. It came from 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:29.000 scholars like Michelle Wu and others who were looking at how can libraries use 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:33.001 the physical materials, the books that are in our collections in our new online 00:03:33.001 --> 00:03:37.000 environments. And the way the controlled digital lending works is that there's a 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.001 one to one or an owned to loan ratio between the number of physical books and the 00:03:42.001 --> 00:03:46.001 number of digital copies lent. So for a book that's in a library's collection, 00:03:46.001 --> 00:03:51.001 the library can choose to either lend the physical copy or a scanned version of 00:03:51.001 --> 00:03:56.000 that book, but not both at the same time. The library has to maintain that owned 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:00.001 to loan ratio between the number of physical copies in hand and the number of 00:04:00.001 --> 00:04:05.000 digital copies lent. And so for the internet archive, we've acquired and 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:11.000 digitized 1.8 million modern books, and then we've acquired those for 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.000 digitization and for preservation. And those books are stored in our physical 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.001 archive and digitized in our scanning centers. And our physical copies don't 00:04:19.001 --> 00:04:25.001 circulate, that 1.8 million number, those books aren't circulating. Instead, we 00:04:25.001 --> 00:04:31.000 circulate the digital copy. And so that's a very quick high-level overview of 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.000 controlled digital lending, and we'll talk more as we get into the session. But 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.000 I'd like to take a moment and do just a quick recap of the conversation that we 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:44.000 had last week. So at last week's forum, Lila Bailey led a really impassioned 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.001 panel on policy issues related to controlled digital lending. We heard from 00:04:48.001 --> 00:04:53.000 authors and librarians and also some copyright specialists and from policymakers 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:58.000 who shared their views on how controlled digital lending works and its 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.001 limitations in an open information ecosystem. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:06.000 And we heard from a number of people, but including Corey Doctorow, author Corey 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:10.000 Doctorow, who you're seeing here in the screen grab. And he listed 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.000 recommendations for keeping that open information ecosystem strong and fair, 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.001 including things like reform the copyright law, change labor laws for writers to 00:05:18.001 --> 00:05:23.000 form strong unions, and a really surprisingly long list of other recommendations. 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:28.000 I highly recommend taking a look not only at Corey's remarks, but at the entire 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:33.000 panel. It's fantastic. That video is now online, and it's linked through a bunch 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:37.001 of different places, including on our blog, on Twitter, and through the Library 00:05:37.001 --> 00:05:41.000 Leaders Forum website at libraryleadersforum. org. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.001 We also made an announcement at last week that we want to promote and celebrate. 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:53.000 So Michelle Wu will receive the Internet Archive Hero Award for 2020 for her 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.000 visionary leadership in describing controlled digital lending. Michelle will 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.001 receive the award at next week's forum, and she'll also give a talk about her 00:06:01.001 --> 00:06:05.001 scholarship, sort of, if you will, the origin story of controlled digital lending 00:06:05.001 --> 00:06:11.000 and really what it means for libraries and for the people and for libraries and 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:16.000 patrons in this moment in time. Registration is still open for that session, and 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:22.000 you can register online at libraryleadersforum. org. So we had a lively Twitter 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.001 conversation that kicked off last week and has continued through today using the 00:06:26.001 --> 00:06:31.001 empowering libraries hashtag. Sometimes it can be scary when you have a lively 00:06:31.001 --> 00:06:35.001 Twitter conversation, but this one was all really, really positive. It was good. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.001 And so throughout our session today, please live tweet to your followers, you 00:06:41.001 --> 00:06:45.000 know, and share across social media. If you're an Instagram fan, you know, snap 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:50.001 some Instas. If you like TikTok, maybe do a CDL dance or something and share that 00:06:50.001 --> 00:06:56.000 to TikTok, but tag all of your posts with the empowering libraries hashtag. And 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.001 the reason we're using this hashtag is that this week, or last week, we kicked 00:06:59.001 --> 00:07:04.001 off the empowering libraries campaign alongside the forum. What we're doing with 00:07:04.001 --> 00:07:08.001 that campaign is drawing on the themes that we discuss here in our conversations 00:07:08.001 --> 00:07:14.000 in the forum and turning those into action. So the publisher's lawsuit that I 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.000 mentioned threatens controlled digital lending, which is the library practice 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:23.000 that now that's now in use by hundreds of libraries to help connect their patrons 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.001 with digital versions of the books that are on their shelves in a controlled and 00:07:27.001 --> 00:07:33.000 protected way. Our empowering libraries campaign aims to rally support for 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:37.001 controlled digital lending and to help libraries understand where CDL fits in 00:07:37.001 --> 00:07:42.000 that robust information ecosystem that we've talked about. You can learn more 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.000 about the empowering libraries campaign on our blog or by following the 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:51.000 empowering libraries hashtag across social media. And here to tell us more about 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.001 the day and to help give us background for the conversation ahead is the founder 00:07:55.001 --> 00:08:01.001 and digital librarian of the Internet Archive, Brewster Kale. Thank you, Chris, 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:09.000 and welcome. The libraries and librarians, it's actually a really good day 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:15.000 for us. It's good to know that people really, really need us. But they need us 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.001 digital. They need all of our services digital. They need all of our collections 00:08:20.001 --> 00:08:25.000 digital. So it's not just a little digital corner off to the side. We need to 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.000 basically go and do all of it. And that's where controlled digital lending comes 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:34.001 in. Libraries have been doing controlled analog lending for thousands of years. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.000 But that's now just called lending. I would say when we're successful at 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:46.000 controlled digital lending, it will just be called lending. For me in the 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.001 Internet Archive, how we got involved in all of this was after the last recession 00:08:50.001 --> 00:08:56.001 in 2008, 2009, we started digitizing using Obama stimulus funds, books for the 00:08:56.001 --> 00:09:03.001 print disabled, and we digitized 150,000 of them. And then with making those 00:09:03.001 --> 00:09:07.001 available with blind and dyslexic. And then we went on to do controlled digital 00:09:07.001 --> 00:09:12.000 lending, working with Boston Public Library, which digitized books from their 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:18.001 collection in copyright, non-rights cleared. And costla, the state librarians, 00:09:18.001 --> 00:09:24.001 also came in and we got from over 20 libraries, they actually sent in books in 00:09:24.001 --> 00:09:28.001 copyright, non-rights cleared to digitize and lend under their own name to show 00:09:28.001 --> 00:09:30.001 support for controlled digital lending. 00:09:30.001 --> 00:09:37.000 This was back in 2011. So this has been going on now for nine years. And it's 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:42.000 going actually very well. More and more libraries are joining in. The lawsuit is 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:48.001 a really sad testament maybe to people during the pandemic, what they do when 00:09:48.001 --> 00:09:55.001 they are in a pandemic. But the key thing is that we libraries move this 00:09:55.001 --> 00:10:01.000 forward. We've always had a role and controlled digital lending gives us a 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:06.001 continued role of building our collections, buying publishers products, 00:10:06.001 --> 00:10:13.000 preserving those books and other materials, and lending those out. Otherwise, if 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.000 it's all a licensed world, then I think we've become more of a customer service 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:23.000 department for other people's database products. And that's not what a library 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:28.000 system is. It's not what we do. So let's go and make our 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.000 pieces whole and work. 00:10:30.001 --> 00:10:36.000 And I'm so glad that we've come together for this meeting about what's the 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:42.001 current practices now and where are we all going? Back to Chris. Great. Thanks, 00:10:42.001 --> 00:10:49.000 Brewster. So I asked at the start, you filled out a little poll if you 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:54.001 chose to, asking the question, have you checked out a book from Internet Archives 00:10:54.001 --> 00:10:59.001 Lending Library? And I want to share those results with you now. So I'm going to 00:10:59.001 --> 00:11:04.000 end the poll. And I'm going to click share results. And I understand that this is 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:08.000 going to show on screen. There are people who are calling in and it doesn't show 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.000 on the video. So I want to walk and talk through these results. So I was really 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:16.001 surprised. I sort of didn't know what the numbers would be. But I'm really 00:11:16.001 --> 00:11:20.000 pleased to see this. So we have in answering the question, have you checked out a 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:27.000 book from Internet Archives Lending Library? We had 50% of the room said yes. 47 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:33.001 % said no. And 3% said not sure. So this is really great. So 00:11:33.001 --> 00:11:39.000 again, I was surprised. Honestly, I thought that the no and the not sure were 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.000 going to be a little bit longer. So I'm happy to see that. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:49.001 That half of you in the room or that answered have used our Lending Library. And 00:11:49.001 --> 00:11:56.000 so thanks again for participating in that conversation or participating in 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:03.000 the poll. What I want to do now is bring two of our engineers to the stage. So 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.001 we have two of our expert engineers with us. 00:12:05.001 --> 00:12:11.000 We have ISA, Heriko Velasco, and Drini Kami. And ISA and Drini are going to give 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.001 us a quick tour through our digital library. So for the 47 and maybe 3% of you 00:12:16.001 --> 00:12:21.001 who haven't used a book in our Lending Library, you're in luck. We're going to 00:12:21.001 --> 00:12:25.000 walk you through how you can do that. So ISA, if you want to go ahead and share 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.001 your screen, you can go ahead and get started. And ISA is going to walk us 00:12:28.001 --> 00:12:34.000 through how our lending system works, including how to check out a book and how 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.001 to follow citations to our books through Wikipedia. And then Drini is going to 00:12:38.001 --> 00:12:42.001 show us a glimpse into the future. He's been working on a beta test of a new 00:12:42.001 --> 00:12:45.000 interface for exploring digital libraries. 00:12:45.001 --> 00:12:48.001 And you're going to get a demo of that today. So over to you, ISA. 00:12:51.001 --> 00:12:54.000 Good morning. And thank you so much, Chris. Can everybody see my 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.000 slides? Thumbs up? Awesome. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:01.000 It's a pleasure to be here with you. My name is ISA. And today I'll walk you 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:07.001 through the book reading experience on archive. org. So but before I start, I'd 00:13:07.001 --> 00:13:11.001 like to just, you know, name the stops on our book tour. We'll find a book, we'll 00:13:11.001 --> 00:13:15.000 navigate it, we'll borrow, and we'll also share something cool that we find 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:20.001 inside. Okay. Oh, and one more thing, my goal actually for these next few minutes 00:13:20.001 --> 00:13:27.000 is to show you the resources that we have for you to use to gain more access to 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:33.001 more knowledge right at your fingertips. All right, let's start. So during about, 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:40.000 you know, somewhere inside of quarantine and sit in place, when everybody started 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:45.001 making bread, we actually started to become bird watchers. And, you know, 00:13:46.001 --> 00:13:51.000 when COVID hit, you know, we lost a lot of our educational anchors when the 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:55.001 library is closed, my son is, you know, three, and we really relied on these in 00:13:55.001 --> 00:14:02.000 person events to socialize and educate him. So now, me as a parent, I'm just 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:07.001 trying to stay abreast and a float of his, you know, abreast and, and a float, 00:14:07.001 --> 00:14:13.000 and also ahead, staying ahead of his interest. And I said all that to say that 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:17.000 we're really interested in hummingbirds right now. First it was finches, now it's 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:22.001 been starlings, now honeybirds. So for me, to gain more knowledge, you know, I 00:14:22.001 --> 00:14:26.001 just I like to come into Wikipedia to get a gist of a topic. 00:14:26.001 --> 00:14:32.000 And the last question he asked me was, you know, what do hummingbirds eat? I 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:36.001 wanted to give him the facts, the facts, you know, not just nectar or water, you 00:14:36.001 --> 00:14:40.000 know, this or that, you know, hand wavy things, I really want to give him the 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:45.001 facts. So I see here on Wikipedia that there's a section on metabolism that's 00:14:45.001 --> 00:14:50.000 close to food, you know, it's close enough to food. And I see here, you know, 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:56.000 there's all these, there's a really good summary of how hummingbirds metabolize. 00:14:56.001 --> 00:15:02.001 And I also see that that there are a bunch of citations as well here. So I'm 00:15:02.001 --> 00:15:09.000 really excited about that. What I do find is that there is a book cited here, and 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.000 it's called The Life of the Hummingbirds. So I'll click on that. 00:15:13.001 --> 00:15:17.000 And the great thing is that it takes me right into the book on archive.org. 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:24.000 I see here that it's a limited book preview. So, you know, we can only see some 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.000 of the book, not all of it. The first, you know, a few 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:27.001 pages, the front and back cover. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:35.001 So which is, which is great. And you know, that citation didn't directly link me 00:15:35.001 --> 00:15:40.001 into what I wanted to know about the hummingbird is, you know, what they consume. 00:15:40.001 --> 00:15:45.001 So I'll just actually search inside the book and more of a sneak peek inside this 00:15:45.001 --> 00:15:49.001 restricted book. Wonderful. Now we have a bunch of results here. And I will use 00:15:49.001 --> 00:15:55.000 this new search results navigation bar that we have to get to the first result. 00:15:55.001 --> 00:16:01.000 Oh, great. So there is actually a chapter on food metabolism and longevity of a 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:06.000 hummingbird. You know, this is what I want to know more of and dig deeper into. 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:17.001 So, this book, you know, can be borrowed for an hour. And, you know, before 00:16:17.001 --> 00:16:21.001 before I go into that, I just also want to note that you don't actually need to 00:16:21.001 --> 00:16:25.001 be in Wikipedia to get into a book, you can actually just jump into archive.org. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.001 And with two clicks, book, click up here on the navigation on the nav bar and any 00:16:31.001 --> 00:16:34.000 of these links will get you to the books that we have. 00:16:34.001 --> 00:16:38.000 Okay, so let's get back to borrowing. We have a book here 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.000 that can be borrowed for an hour. 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:45.000 I see that, you know, there's the main borrowing option for an hour here. But 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:51.000 this book actually has a couple of more options. And I'll click down just to show 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:55.001 you what they are. I can borrow this in this particular book for one hour or 14 00:16:55.001 --> 00:17:01.000 days. And if you see this button here, that means that this book is actually 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:07.001 available to purchase on better old books. And also, if you are have a 00:17:07.001 --> 00:17:13.000 qualifying print disability or would like to know more about getting access to 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:20.000 our books in a print disabled, an easy way to, you 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.001 know, in an easy way, then, you know, click here or let 00:17:23.001 --> 00:17:25.000 us know and we can get you to the right people. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.001 So for now, I'd just like to take a peek into 00:17:28.001 --> 00:17:30.000 this book and I'll borrow it for an hour. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:41.000 Wonderful. Wonderful. So okay, now I'm here, I'm borrowing the book. I can see 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:46.001 here that the book ends, the borrowing time ends at 11 18am. And that means I am 00:17:46.001 --> 00:17:51.000 now in our controlled digital lending environment. I'm the only reader who has 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:57.001 access to this digital copy for the next hour. So 00:17:57.001 --> 00:18:00.000 this is the book [...] And so I'm going to say, oh, you can actually flip through 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:06.000 all of the pages and see the wonderful content that this book has to offer. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:08.001 And amazing pictures, you know, 00:18:08.001 --> 00:18:10.001 actually, I kind of want to send this one to my son. 00:18:11.001 --> 00:18:17.000 And, um, okay, great. So I'm noting that we I can actually send this particular 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.000 page to someone and they can see it. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.001 And so take that pin, and we'll circle back on that later. 00:18:24.001 --> 00:18:30.000 I see now that this book can be borrowed until 11, 18 AM my time. 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:37.001 That means it will automatically return. 00:18:38.001 --> 00:18:42.000 But for now, I would just like to return it and be a good neighbor. 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:53.000 And that's actually the gist of the book borrowing flow, and you can do it to 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.000 any book that we have available to borrow. 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.000 Going back into the slides, let's do a recap. 00:19:00.001 --> 00:19:01.001 So we did all the things. 00:19:01.001 --> 00:19:02.001 We found a book. 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:04.000 We navigated. 00:19:04.001 --> 00:19:05.000 We borrowed. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.000 And we shared a page. 00:19:07.001 --> 00:19:10.001 And we're going to circle back on that sharing link, because I think this is 00:19:10.001 --> 00:19:13.000 quite important, especially for the time that we have now. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.001 With schools shifting to distance learning, this citation link, the share link, 00:19:18.001 --> 00:19:22.000 can be a powerful tool for researchers and students alike. 00:19:23.001 --> 00:19:28.001 Like Wikipedia researchers, your students and researchers can quickly reference 00:19:28.001 --> 00:19:32.001 any page and or term in a book on archive.org. 00:19:33.001 --> 00:19:36.000 So this is the anatomy of our URL share link. 00:19:36.001 --> 00:19:41.001 We have archive.org slash details slash item ID that will take you directly to 00:19:41.001 --> 00:19:43.000 the book, just like the Wikipedia citation. 00:19:43.001 --> 00:19:48.000 But if you want to dig deeper in, you can actually add a page number slash page 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:54.000 slash page number and a search term if you wanted it all to light up when you 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.001 land, when you want that person to land on that book. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:59.001 And you can just do this. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:05.001 You can create this URL, and we'll get you to the right page with the right 00:20:05.001 --> 00:20:09.000 search results at any given time. 00:20:12.001 --> 00:20:18.000 So now, I went through the book tour, but I just wanted to also bubble up some of 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.000 the features that are coming down the pipeline now. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.001 We have, you know, I showed you that we can search inside a previewable book, but 00:20:25.001 --> 00:20:29.001 now we're going to be able to soon search across multiple volumes, think 00:20:29.001 --> 00:20:32.000 journals, think books with volumes. 00:20:32.001 --> 00:20:34.001 We can have bookmarks in there. 00:20:34.001 --> 00:20:40.000 And we'll also have like desktop dark mode and other visual adjustments, high res 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.000 image support, so much more pinch to zoom as well. 00:20:44.001 --> 00:20:47.001 So I'm really excited as part of the Book Reader Stewards 00:20:47.001 --> 00:20:49.001 here at Internet Archive. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:56.000 We have so much more to provide, to give you to use and to provide an 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:01.000 enriched experience any time you read a book on archive.org. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:07.000 So now, I'll actually step over, you know, pull ourselves out of this book and 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.001 bring us back into the library, and I'll pass it over to my colleague, Drini, and 00:21:11.001 --> 00:21:14.000 he'll walk us through his amazing library explorer. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:16.001 Thanks, Aisa. 00:21:17.001 --> 00:21:20.001 All right, let me begin sharing my window here. 00:21:21.001 --> 00:21:21.001 All right. 00:21:22.001 --> 00:21:23.000 Hello, everyone. 00:21:23.001 --> 00:21:28.000 My name is Drini, and I work on Open Library at the Internet Archive. 00:21:28.001 --> 00:21:32.000 And like Chris mentioned, I'd like to share with you an experimental interface 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.001 that's currently in beta for letting users discover and 00:21:35.001 --> 00:21:37.001 explore our digital collection. 00:21:38.001 --> 00:21:41.000 So it might come as no surprise, but the people working on 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:42.001 Open Library love libraries. 00:21:43.001 --> 00:21:45.000 We love just about everything about them. 00:21:45.001 --> 00:21:50.000 When I was a student in university, I'd often walk through the shelves of my 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.001 school's library when I was feeling stressed or frustrated. 00:21:53.001 --> 00:21:57.001 There was something about seeing 600-page books on everything from quantum 00:21:57.001 --> 00:22:03.000 mechanics to Napoleon's Battle at Waterloo to properties of prime numbers that 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:04.001 always calmed me down somehow. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.000 I mean, if somebody can spend 600 pages talking about cybernetics, then maybe the 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.000 things that I was worried about weren't quite so worrisome. 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:18.000 And I would always leave the library having discovered something new, and usually 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.001 a variety of new things. 00:22:21.001 --> 00:22:25.001 This is something that I haven't really been able to replicate online or 00:22:25.001 --> 00:22:27.001 at a digital library like Open Library. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:36.001 The way that you navigate on most digital book sites, like Open Library, is 00:22:36.001 --> 00:22:42.000 by using things like authors or searching or subjects. 00:22:42.001 --> 00:22:47.000 But these end up operating more like the front desk of a physical library. 00:22:47.001 --> 00:22:52.001 You can ask for a query, and then our search engine tries to fill the role of a 00:22:52.001 --> 00:22:55.001 helpful librarian and provide you with books in return. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:01.000 But you can't go yourself into the stacks and explore that forest of humanities 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.000 knowledge like I could at my school's library. 00:23:05.001 --> 00:23:10.000 The other way that websites tries to solve this problem is by using complicated 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.000 recommendation algorithms like YouTube or Netflix. 00:23:13.001 --> 00:23:18.000 But these algorithms are based on having information about what you've already 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.000 experienced and enjoyed to give you recommendations 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.001 on new content you might enjoy. 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.001 So you still lose a good chunk of that exploration. 00:23:26.001 --> 00:23:27.001 You can't explore. 00:23:27.001 --> 00:23:32.000 You're dependent on the algorithm, and it causes a lot of people to get stuck in 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.000 these algorithmic bubbles where they're not getting new content. 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.000 They're only getting content similar to what they like or what 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.001 they are expected to like. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:45.000 There's no way to really systematically and feasibly explore through 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.000 a large collection. 00:23:47.001 --> 00:23:53.001 With this in mind, this year we added the ability to search by classifications on 00:23:53.001 --> 00:23:56.001 Open Library, so Dewey Decimal and Library of Congress. 00:23:57.001 --> 00:24:02.000 And we realized that embedded within these classifications are over 100 years 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.001 worth of librarian experience and knowledge, which is largely 00:24:05.001 --> 00:24:07.001 inaccessible to your average reader. 00:24:08.001 --> 00:24:13.001 We wanted to use these classifications to create an interface that pays homage to 00:24:13.001 --> 00:24:18.001 physical libraries and more closely mirrors that discovery 00:24:18.001 --> 00:24:20.001 experience you get at a physical library. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.001 So without further ado, this is what the Library Explorer looks like. 00:24:27.001 --> 00:24:31.001 So as you can see, it is very much an homage to physical libraries. 00:24:31.001 --> 00:24:36.001 We have bookcases, bookshelves, and the signage around them. 00:24:37.001 --> 00:24:41.000 And the main way you navigate through the Library Explorer is in two 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.001 dimensions, left, right, and up and down. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.000 Moving left and right takes you through the top level classes of your hierarchy, 00:24:48.001 --> 00:24:52.000 so languages, science, technology, and so on. 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.000 Moving down takes you through the subclasses. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.001 So if we're currently on the science bookcase, moving down takes us to general 00:25:00.001 --> 00:25:04.001 science, mathematics, astronomy, physics, and so on. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:09.000 To navigate deeper still, you can use the arrows here. 00:25:09.001 --> 00:25:12.000 So for example, if we're in chemistry and we want to go deeper, 00:25:12.001 --> 00:25:14.000 we can navigate using the arrows. 00:25:14.001 --> 00:25:18.001 So we go from chemistry to specifically chemistry and allied sciences, physical 00:25:18.001 --> 00:25:21.001 chemistry, techniques and procedures, and so on. 00:25:22.001 --> 00:25:28.001 We can use the index icon here to view an index of all the subclasses of this 00:25:28.001 --> 00:25:32.001 shelf so we can jump to a specific section straight away. 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.000 And let's jump back there. 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.000 Another important way of going deeper into the classification are these little 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.001 expansion icons right here. 00:25:44.001 --> 00:25:49.001 So if we wanted to get a lot of books about Earth science and geology, we can 00:25:49.001 --> 00:25:55.001 click the expand icon, and then this row becomes an entire bookcase. 00:25:56.001 --> 00:26:00.001 So what was previously just a row becomes this bookcase, and now we can navigate 00:26:00.001 --> 00:26:04.001 through all the subclasses of Earth science and geology just by going down. 00:26:05.001 --> 00:26:10.001 And as we noticed earlier, chemistry was a sibling to Earth science and geology. 00:26:10.001 --> 00:26:14.001 So if we move left and right, now all the bookcases have changed 00:26:14.001 --> 00:26:16.000 to match our new level. 00:26:16.001 --> 00:26:21.000 So chemistry is now its own bookcase, fossils and prehistoric life, and so on. 00:26:21.001 --> 00:26:26.001 And we can jump back to where we were by pressing the go up button, and now 00:26:26.001 --> 00:26:28.000 we're in the sciences bookcase again. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.000 One important interaction that comes out of a user interface like 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.001 this is the ability to filter. 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:42.000 So for example, if we go down here and select the juvenile filter, then we get 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.000 our whole library transformed for children. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:50.001 So this basically is querying for things that have subject juvenile, but now we 00:26:50.001 --> 00:26:56.000 still have the exact same structure and the exact same interaction models to 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.001 navigate through our entire library. 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:06.000 In a similar vein, if I reset that filter, we can apply any custom filter here. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:12.000 So if I do subject biography, which is kind of a classic edge case for 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.001 classification systems, because biographies span a bunch of different 00:27:15.001 --> 00:27:17.001 subjects, so you can't group them all together. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.001 Now we have an entire library of biographies. 00:27:22.001 --> 00:27:27.000 We basically constructed a new library curated to our specific interests. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.000 The last thing I wanted to share is a small aesthetic 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.000 feature of the library explorer. 00:27:34.001 --> 00:27:38.001 So because this is an homage to physical libraries and the interactions you can 00:27:38.001 --> 00:27:43.001 do there, we have the option to view the books as these little 3D cuboid figures. 00:27:44.001 --> 00:27:48.001 And because we have the number of pages in our open library metadata, the 00:27:48.001 --> 00:27:51.001 thickness of the books is proportional to the actual 00:27:51.001 --> 00:27:53.000 length and the number of pages of the books. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.000 And if you're feeling still more nostalgic, if you zoom out your browser window, 00:27:59.001 --> 00:28:06.000 you'll see that slowly but surely an entire library of books slowly comes to life 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.000 and the books populate the shelves. 00:28:11.001 --> 00:28:14.000 That's everything I wanted to share about Library Explorer. 00:28:14.001 --> 00:28:19.000 It's currently available at dev. openlibrary.org slash explore. 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.001 It is in beta, so there will probably be some bugs, but everything I've shown 00:28:23.001 --> 00:28:25.000 you should be working. 00:28:25.001 --> 00:28:28.000 There will probably be some performance issues or some 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.001 issues across different browsers. 00:28:30.001 --> 00:28:35.001 But we really hope this, and you can provide feedback at that link, but we really 00:28:35.001 --> 00:28:41.000 hope this will help people discover new books, have that sense of discovery I had 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.001 at my school's library, and also avoid getting stuck in those algorithmic 00:28:45.001 --> 00:28:48.000 bubbles, which we have been getting stuck in lately. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.001 That's everything I had to say. 00:28:50.001 --> 00:28:51.001 Thank you for your time. 00:28:51.001 --> 00:28:53.000 And with that, I'll hand it back to you, Chris. 00:28:55.001 --> 00:28:57.001 [...] Dreeny and Aisa both. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:03.001 Thanks for that excellent demo and for walking us through this really exciting 00:29:03.001 --> 00:29:09.001 developments that you've been working on for a while. 00:29:09.001 --> 00:29:11.000 So thanks again for your time today. 00:29:12.001 --> 00:29:19.001 So maybe a call to action here in our first half hour for the 47% of you that 00:29:19.001 --> 00:29:25.000 hadn't checked out a book and the 3% of you that weren't sure, you're now armed 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.000 with how you can check out a book, what that experience is like. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:33.000 So please, I'd encourage everyone, read a book at archive.org and go check out 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.000 what our lending library is all about. 00:29:36.001 --> 00:29:40.001 So now we're going to move into our panel discussion, and I'd like to invite our 00:29:40.001 --> 00:29:44.000 panelists for this segment to turn on your cameras, and I'm going to stop 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.000 my share here. 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.000 Great. Thanks, everyone. 00:29:50.001 --> 00:29:55.000 So synchronous viewers, you might want to change into gallery view so that you 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.001 can see everyone's expressions here. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.000 So the Internet Archive has been operating a controlled digital lending 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.000 environment for more than nine years. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.001 And we started with libraries in the Boston area, and we now have more than 80 00:30:06.001 --> 00:30:11.000 libraries that are participating along with us in our open libraries program. 00:30:11.001 --> 00:30:16.001 And we're really thrilled to see that there are a number of other libraries and 00:30:16.001 --> 00:30:21.000 library systems and library technology partners that are now incorporating 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.001 controlled digital lending into their operations. 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:29.000 So there is strength in community, and it's that community of practice that I 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.001 want to explore through our discussion today. 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:35.000 And so for this session, we're going to have introductions. 00:30:35.001 --> 00:30:39.000 Then we'll move into a conversation related to various aspects of controlled 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.000 digital lending, and then we'll wrap with questions. 00:30:41.001 --> 00:30:46.000 So please do ask your questions here using the Q&A feature or on Twitter 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.000 using Empowering Libraries. 00:30:49.001 --> 00:30:53.000 So what I'd like to do is I'd like to have each of today's panelists give us an 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:57.001 introduction and tell us how you're working with controlled digital lending. 00:30:57.001 --> 00:31:01.001 And I'd like to start with Tucker Taylor from the University of South Carolina. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:02.001 So over to you, Tucker. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:04.001 Thanks, Chris. 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.000 Hi, I'm Tucker Taylor from the University of South Carolina Library. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.000 I'm a circulation librarian, which for those of y'all who don't live in library 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.001 land, that means I check books in and out. 00:31:14.001 --> 00:31:18.000 One of the other things that I get to do is provide support for our people 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.001 who are teaching at USC. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.001 So spring was interesting for us. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:30.000 As you can imagine, all of our students were sent home during spring break. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.000 They weren't able to come back to their dorm rooms and get their textbooks or 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.000 anything that they owned, and they had to go home. 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.000 So one of the things that I have the privilege of providing for our students is a 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.001 large textbook collection that we've spent a lot of student 00:31:44.001 --> 00:31:47.000 tuition and our tax dollars on. 00:31:47.001 --> 00:31:50.001 And we wanted to continue to provide access to that. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.001 So during the spring, it was pretty easy. 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.000 There were a lot of publishers that were very willing to help us get access to 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.000 their content for free because of the pandemic. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.001 The Internet Archive certainly stepped up and helped us out. 00:32:02.001 --> 00:32:03.001 So thank you so much. 00:32:03.001 --> 00:32:07.000 You helped so many of our students when they were in pretty desperate need. 00:32:07.001 --> 00:32:11.000 So thank you, Internet Archive, for stepping up and helping us this spring. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.001 Of course, publishers are here to make money. 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.000 So free access doesn't last forever. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.000 And over the summer, it became very apparent to us that we were still going to 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.001 be in the same pickle for fall. 00:32:24.001 --> 00:32:29.000 Many of our students who had health conditions that would preclude them from 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.001 being able to attend in person would not be able to come. 00:32:31.001 --> 00:32:36.001 There were many questions and still many questions about the safety of short-term 00:32:36.001 --> 00:32:40.000 lending when you're handing people books that somebody breathes on and licks 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.000 pages and just pandemic no. 00:32:43.001 --> 00:32:46.001 So we decided that we were not able to lend our print collection 00:32:46.001 --> 00:32:49.000 for textbooks for the short-term loan. 00:32:49.001 --> 00:32:50.001 So I'm a librarian. 00:32:51.001 --> 00:32:52.001 I want to check things in and out. 00:32:52.001 --> 00:32:54.000 It's what I've spent 30 years doing. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.000 I just want to check things in and out. 00:32:56.001 --> 00:32:59.000 So it feels reasonable to me that I should be able 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.001 to do online library check out. 00:33:00.001 --> 00:33:02.000 We've spent a lot of money. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.000 We own these books. 00:33:03.001 --> 00:33:04.001 We should be able to do this. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:10.000 So me and this group of really helpful colleagues at the University of South 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.001 Carolina embarked on a mission to try to find a way to help our students and to 00:33:13.001 --> 00:33:16.000 use the resources we paid for. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.000 We started with ebook vendors, and they didn't want to take our money. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:26.000 And it was because of their relationships with the publishers, which I think 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.000 should serve to all libraries a sober reminder that we 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.001 pay people who don't work for us. 00:33:31.001 --> 00:33:33.001 But that is what it is. 00:33:34.001 --> 00:33:39.000 So we tried to build our own solution, which turned out to be hard, surprisingly, 00:33:39.001 --> 00:33:41.001 to build your own ebook platform. 00:33:41.001 --> 00:33:42.001 But you know, good hustle. 00:33:42.001 --> 00:33:44.001 We had a lot of people work really hard, and 00:33:44.001 --> 00:33:46.000 there's still people working hard on this. 00:33:46.001 --> 00:33:50.001 But what did work out for us was partnering with a digital 00:33:50.001 --> 00:33:52.001 initiatives project called Potty Trust. 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.001 Now we were already members of Potty Trust. 00:33:54.001 --> 00:33:59.000 And as a circulation librarian and not a digital initiatives librarian, I'm not 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.001 here to tell you everything that Potty Trust does. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.001 But one of the things I'm very grateful that Potty Trust does is during the 00:34:04.001 --> 00:34:10.001 pandemic, it's providing emergency access to books that we've scanned and own in 00:34:10.001 --> 00:34:12.001 print if you're not checking out the print books. 00:34:12.001 --> 00:34:16.001 So I didn't want to just scan a book and put it up online as a PDF for all the 00:34:16.001 --> 00:34:20.000 students to be able to download or share or post somewhere else. 00:34:20.001 --> 00:34:22.000 That's not what libraries are about. 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.000 We're team players. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.001 We want to do the right thing. 00:34:24.001 --> 00:34:26.000 I've spent money on these books. 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.000 So we want to be able to control the luck. 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.001 Just do online library checkout. 00:34:30.001 --> 00:34:31.001 One book in, one book out. 00:34:32.001 --> 00:34:35.001 So we scanned a number of books and put them in Potty Trust. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.000 It's a little bit less than perfect solution for us, to be honest, because it is 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.000 a Herculean effort to get something into Potty Trust. 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.001 And understandably so, because this is not what the project was designed for. 00:34:45.001 --> 00:34:48.000 And I'm so grateful that they're allowing us to use it in this way. 00:34:49.001 --> 00:34:53.001 But we're still hopeful that we're going to find a way that we can do scanning to 00:34:53.001 --> 00:34:57.000 a different standard and be able to provide access to the content 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.001 that we purchased and owned. 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:03.000 But that's so far our digital online checkout experience. 00:35:05.001 --> 00:35:06.001 Thanks, Tucker. 00:35:06.001 --> 00:35:11.000 And a point on Potty Trust and their emergency temporary access service. 00:35:11.001 --> 00:35:14.000 We've enjoyed, have invited Potty Trust to 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.000 participate in this conversation and others. 00:35:16.001 --> 00:35:20.000 And I think that Potty, they don't consider their emergency temporary access 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.000 service to be part of controlled digital lending. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.000 It's sort of a different model. 00:35:24.001 --> 00:35:28.000 So I think we'll probably try to have future conversations around that. 00:35:28.001 --> 00:35:31.001 Let's stay in libraries and let's go to Tom Kramer at Stanford. 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:33.001 Thanks, Chris. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.000 My name is Tom Kramer. 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.000 I'm the associate university librarian and the director of digital library 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.000 systems and services at Stanford. 00:35:42.001 --> 00:35:48.001 And we became very interested in controlled digital lending in the 00:35:48.001 --> 00:35:50.000 end of March 2020. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:57.000 We have tens of thousands of visitors every month to our libraries. 00:35:57.001 --> 00:36:02.000 We have up to 10,000 to 10 to 20,000 circulations 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.000 of physical materials every month. 00:36:04.001 --> 00:36:10.000 And that all came to a screeching halt around March 16th or whatever the exact 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.000 date was back then. 00:36:13.001 --> 00:36:16.001 And we were just about to start up our spring quarter and 00:36:16.001 --> 00:36:19.000 we, Stanford went all digital. 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 So it was, everything was remote for spring quarter. 00:36:22.001 --> 00:36:28.001 And we had millions of books and tens of thousands of researchers who could not 00:36:28.001 --> 00:36:33.001 access the billions of dollars, literally, of content that had been stored up in 00:36:33.001 --> 00:36:35.001 our stacks. 00:36:37.001 --> 00:36:40.000 So that's why we're in CDL. 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.000 We sort of were aware of it beforehand, but this pandemic has just made us 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.001 acutely aware of the need and really the opportunity. 00:36:47.001 --> 00:36:51.001 Stanford is launching, we are launching a controlled digital lending solution 00:36:51.001 --> 00:36:55.000 that we did build ourselves, you know, leveraging 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.000 components that we already had in place. 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.000 And we became very interested as we were trying to explore the ramifications and 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.001 the needs for controlled digital lending, how other people were doing it. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.001 My hat goes off to Brewster and Chris 00:37:08.001 --> 00:37:10.000 and their colleagues at the Internet Archive. 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.000 If you do a little bit of internet searching, you'll find lots of great examples 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:19.001 and use cases going back multiple years as they've been beating this CDL drum. 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.001 As we were looking at it, though, we figured out that the IA model wasn't 00:37:24.001 --> 00:37:26.001 exactly right for us. 00:37:26.001 --> 00:37:28.000 And we said that there are things we can learn 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:29.001 from that, but we're our fellow travelers. 00:37:30.001 --> 00:37:36.000 And that's where how we got into this and also became one of the founding 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.001 organizers of a group called Controlled Digital Lending Implementers, which 00:37:39.001 --> 00:37:43.001 Sebastian and Jill are also ringleaders of. And I think we'll 00:37:43.001 --> 00:37:45.000 spend a little time talking about today. 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:53.000 Thanks, Tom. How about over to Jill to give us, Jill Morris, to give 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:54.001 us a perspective on consortia. 00:37:55.001 --> 00:38:00.001 Hi, Chris. Hi, everybody. Thanks for having me. So I'm Jill Morris. I'm the 00:38:00.001 --> 00:38:05.000 executive director of the PALSI Consortium. Really glad to be here today to 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.001 represent consortia interests in CDL. 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.000 So a little bit about PALSI, I'll just fill in some background. I can see some of 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:20.000 our members are here today. We have 70 academic and research libraries in 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.000 Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, and West Virginia that are members of this 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:30.001 consortium. And a little bit of history here, we formed in the mid 90s really 00:38:30.001 --> 00:38:35.001 around resource sharing. How do we physically share our lendable materials 00:38:35.001 --> 00:38:41.000 together? And the regionality of our consortium is important in that we wanted to 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:46.000 be able to get our materials back and forth to each other really quickly. And so 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.000 that's been a focus for our consortium for more than 20 years now. And we use a 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:56.000 resource sharing system to connect disparate ILS platforms together so that we 00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.000 can check out our materials to each other really quickly and in an unmediated 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.000 sort of fashion where we're saving our staff time in making those connections. So 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:11.001 with that as background, we've been running this resource sharing network now for 00:39:11.001 --> 00:39:18.000 some time. And obviously, when the pandemic hit, it hit us too in consortia land. 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.001 And myself and many of our colleagues who also run consortia resource sharing 00:39:23.001 --> 00:39:29.001 systems and borrowing networks felt the pain of suddenly having to shut those 00:39:29.001 --> 00:39:36.000 systems down for the first time, I think ever. And so that was quite 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:41.001 a process to go through and a decision making process that we had to sort of 00:39:41.001 --> 00:39:47.000 invent as this happened. And really, it hit home for us sort of just the 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.000 fragility of our current system. 00:39:49.001 --> 00:39:55.000 We recognized that access was really limited when our buildings, our physical 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.000 buildings are closed, even though we are still there and ready to provide 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:03.000 services from the libraries. The libraries weren't really closed. It was really 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.001 the buildings that were closed and the access points. 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:12.001 And as a consortium that frequently lends more than 150,000 physical items to 00:40:12.001 --> 00:40:19.000 each other throughout the year with more than 50 libraries participating, how do 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.000 you reinvent that in a digital space? And controlled digital lending was 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.001 obviously something that we had been thinking about for some time. And I think 00:40:26.001 --> 00:40:31.001 we're going to talk a little bit later about project reshare, which is a project 00:40:31.001 --> 00:40:36.001 that's really designed to create some open source tools around support of access 00:40:36.001 --> 00:40:43.000 methodologies and resource sharing. But clearly within PALSI, we had this uh 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:48.000 -oh moment of how do we go ahead and continue to provide that access that we know 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:54.000 our patrons are in need of. And so we got into this conversation with many of our 00:40:54.000 --> 00:41:00.001 institutions who told us they could no longer lend to each other. And as of right 00:41:00.001 --> 00:41:05.000 now, we don't have a consortial solution to this problem. It's something we're 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.000 actively exploring as a part of conversations with within the controlled digital 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.001 lending implementers group that Tom just mentioned, as well as inside of project 00:41:14.001 --> 00:41:18.000 reshare. And I'm sure we'll talk about that in a few more minutes. But that's a 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:22.000 little bit about sort of why we're interested and how consortia 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000 are coming to this conversation. 00:41:26.001 --> 00:41:30.001 Thanks for that, Jill. Let's stay in libraries and education and let's go over 00:41:30.001 --> 00:41:32.000 to Lisa Petridis. 00:41:32.001 --> 00:41:37.000 Lisa, why don't you tell us what you've been working on and as it relates to 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.001 controlled digital lending. Great, thank you. So just a little bit too about what 00:41:41.001 --> 00:41:48.000 we do. I work with an organization called ISKME. It's a nonprofit that does a lot 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:53.000 of work around open educational resources. And in fact, we run a library of 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.001 digital educational resources that are openly licensed and freely available. So 00:41:58.001 --> 00:42:04.001 our work has really been about access and equity with a mission around social 00:42:04.001 --> 00:42:09.001 justice and education. And the work around sort of the discovery and the 00:42:09.001 --> 00:42:14.000 collaboration around open educational resources, how you adapt them, how you 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:20.001 adopt them. These are all a lot of driving questions that we look at. And just 00:42:20.001 --> 00:42:27.000 briefly, some of you may know that the education content just in the K-12 area 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000 is about a six to eight billion dollar a year market. 00:42:32.001 --> 00:42:36.000 And higher education, it's a little different because taxpayers don't pay that 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:43.000 money. But in fact, students do. And for example, in community colleges, the 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:49.001 cost of course materials and textbooks is about 33 quarters, 75 percent of their 00:42:49.001 --> 00:42:56.001 cost for education. So controlled digital lending, particularly as we 00:42:56.001 --> 00:43:01.001 started to see COVID impact, and we've heard already from higher ed libraries, 00:43:02.001 --> 00:43:06.000 that's for example, many of these students who couldn't afford books before would 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:11.000 go into the library to get materials on course reserves. And so of course, now 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.000 that they couldn't get them in their library, they couldn't just walk in the 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.000 door. There are a lot of libraries that didn't have the infrastructure to get 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.000 things up and be able to lend course reserves. So controlled digital lending was 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:29.001 extremely important there. On the K-12 side, what's really important too is even 00:43:29.001 --> 00:43:36.000 before COVID, we've seen in some cases, I think the number is about 20 plus about 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:42.001 20 percent of school libraries in the last 15 years. In some cities across the 00:43:42.001 --> 00:43:47.000 country, 50 percent of those libraries, schools no longer have school libraries 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:53.000 within them. So this idea of how we can increase access to books for educators 00:43:53.000 --> 00:44:00.000 and learners is really critical. Again, pre-COVID, but certainly post-COVID as 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.000 well, because libraries are closed during the pandemic and they're trying to 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:10.001 struggle to support readers. We saw this summer reading programs that students 00:44:10.001 --> 00:44:15.000 didn't have access to the books. So we are working and we'll talk a little bit 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.000 more about this later on the Universal School Library, which is a partnership 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:25.000 between ISCME and the Internet Archive to actually create a digital public school 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:31.001 library that could be available to schools across 00:44:31.001 --> 00:44:36.000 the country. We're working on some pilots and I'll talk a little bit more about 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:41.001 that later, but we really think that creating this very strong ecosystem around 00:44:41.001 --> 00:44:47.000 digital collections is going to be so important to support the curricular needs 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.001 of schools and high school students, middle school students, and even in the 00:44:51.001 --> 00:44:58.000 primary area as well. Thank you. Thanks, Lisa. And let's go to 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.001 Sebastian Hammer. Sebastian, I'm interested in your perspective as a 00:45:01.001 --> 00:45:03.001 technologist and the work that you've been doing. 00:45:03.001 --> 00:45:09.000 So can you catch us up to speed? Thank you, Chris, and hello 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.000 everybody. So my name is Sebastian. 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.000 I am a co-founder of a little software company called IndexData. We've been 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:22.000 around for about 26 years this year and we have made up about roughly 20 or so 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.000 people, a mix of developers and librarians. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.001 We like creating technology for libraries in 00:45:28.001 --> 00:45:30.001 particular and that's what we've always done. 00:45:30.001 --> 00:45:34.001 We make software. Sometimes it's software that faces the patron, the end user. 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:41.001 Sometimes it faces the library staff person and sometimes other developers. But 00:45:41.001 --> 00:45:45.001 overall, I think we have sort of a real passion for trying to enable libraries to 00:45:45.001 --> 00:45:50.000 do more to provide better services through technology and we particularly like 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.000 the dialogue that we can have with the people using the technology and the people 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:58.000 we collaborate with and that's driven us in the direction of releasing and 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:03.000 working on a lot of open source software. So for the past four or five years in 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:08.000 particular, we've more or less moved extensively towards community-owned 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:13.000 technology projects. So we've worked as leading developers and architects of the 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:19.000 Folio Library Service Platform and we've worked very closely with Jill on project 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:24.000 Reshare as lead technologists on that project. So I've been immersed in a way for 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.001 the past four or five years in library workflows and library processes and the 00:46:28.001 --> 00:46:33.000 way that libraries work internally to provide services to their patrons. So my 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:38.001 lens for control digital lending has very much been how does it fit into the way 00:46:38.001 --> 00:46:44.001 that the library operates internally? How can you make CDL an everyday way part 00:46:44.001 --> 00:46:48.000 of the way that the library does business internally and the way that it delivers 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:52.000 services? I think it's super exciting. I've been a fan of CDL since we really 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.000 started exploring it in the Folio project about about three or four years ago and 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.000 have attended one of your leadership forums Chris and I'm a huge fan but I'm 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:07.000 really kind of curious about how we can build technology that will enable 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.000 libraries to pull it in and make it part of their processes. What does it look 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:18.001 like for CDL to become an everyday part of how libraries deliver content? I think 00:47:18.001 --> 00:47:23.000 the service that the Internet Archive provides is astonishingly good. 00:47:23.001 --> 00:47:28.001 It's powerful. It's web scale but I also see a real need and desire for libraries 00:47:28.001 --> 00:47:32.001 to control some of the processes and some of the mechanisms themselves especially 00:47:32.001 --> 00:47:39.001 here during COVID where you may see CDL as a vehicle 00:47:39.001 --> 00:47:43.000 by which libraries can provide access to content that's otherwise just straight 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.001 up sequestered when the whole collection is sequestered essentially including 00:47:46.001 --> 00:47:49.001 content that isn't already digitized. What does it look like? What do the 00:47:49.001 --> 00:47:55.001 processes look like? How do you apply policies within the library? So I come to 00:47:55.001 --> 00:47:59.000 this very much thinking about those kinds of needs and we've spent some time in 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:05.000 project ReShare thinking about how that unfolds into specific functional needs 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:10.001 and software design. I hope to explore that more with you guys today as well but 00:48:10.001 --> 00:48:14.001 I very much come at it from a perspective again of library processes and how that 00:48:14.001 --> 00:48:20.000 translates into technology needs and how we really make CDL an everyday part of 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.001 just the whole kind of panoply of services that makes up what a library does. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.001 Yeah thanks for that Sebastian. You know that is a question that we get more than 00:48:30.001 --> 00:48:35.000 anything actually when we talk about our controlled digital lending environment. 00:48:35.001 --> 00:48:38.000 Library's asking well how do I fit this into my workflows? 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.001 How do I fit this into my existing systems? And I think that that's the that's 00:48:42.001 --> 00:48:45.000 sort of where we're wanting to go and have those conversations. That's you know 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.000 part of joining that larger community of practice is you know it used to just be 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:53.000 a small number of libraries that were doing controlled digital lending and so the 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.001 that now that there are more that we want to make those hooks into our 00:48:57.001 --> 00:49:00.001 collections and into our existing workflows so that it's just part of 00:49:00.001 --> 00:49:02.000 library operations. 00:49:02.001 --> 00:49:06.000 It you know it is a library practice that's been going for more than nine years. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.001 There are hundreds of libraries that are doing it now. Let's build it into our 00:49:09.001 --> 00:49:11.001 system so that it's just mainstreamed. 00:49:13.001 --> 00:49:18.001 I'd like to we've talked a through line of COVID-19 and obviously I mean it's 00:49:18.001 --> 00:49:25.000 it's inescapable. It's part of our every day. I would like to hear just a little 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:30.000 bit more from each of you of how COVID is impacting your operations and what that 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.000 means for how you're considering controlled digital lending and so Tucker I'd 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.000 like to start with you. You know you're you're really on the front lines you and 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.000 your staff so can you tell us like what's it what's it like on the front lines 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.001 and how is your semester going? Is everything okay really? 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:56.000 Yeah it's going. Honestly it's not as bad as I thought it would be. I don't want 00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:01.001 to minimize the strain that this has put my staff under. It has been very very 00:50:01.001 --> 00:50:06.001 hard for the people who are on the front lines. I am very grateful that they're 00:50:06.001 --> 00:50:13.001 here with me and I know that they are working very hard. I am very grateful 00:50:13.001 --> 00:50:17.001 that we have controlled digital lending again to support my staff because this 00:50:17.001 --> 00:50:20.001 short-term checkout wouldn't just affect the students who are holding these books 00:50:20.001 --> 00:50:25.000 but also the staff that have to hand them out. So right now our staff is able to 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:31.000 be we're able to keep our desks closed and provide books by demand and leave them 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:37.001 out for patrons in a way that is contactless so that's important to us but I 00:50:37.001 --> 00:50:42.001 think that it's exactly what you would probably think it would be for anybody 00:50:42.001 --> 00:50:47.001 who's frontline working with people right now. So that's what COVID is like. What 00:50:47.001 --> 00:50:54.001 about your students? How are they adapting and are they using materials that are 00:50:54.001 --> 00:51:00.000 offered through controlled digital lending? Absolutely. I found that it was 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.000 harder to reach our faculty right now I think because the stress and the pressure 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:09.000 that everyone is under so getting them to go directly to the students and to say 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.000 hey here's the thing you can use has been harder than I and they don't have the 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:17.001 same enthusiasm I have but the students have been very grateful. I mean I'm sure 00:51:17.001 --> 00:51:21.000 it's a shock to everyone that students in South Carolina are affected by poverty 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.001 but you know this has been very helpful for our students many of whom can't 00:51:25.001 --> 00:51:29.001 afford a $400 textbook and that is really what some of them cost right now. 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:37.000 It's ridiculous. Sorry. But yes so you know I'm grateful that we're able to be 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.001 able to help our students in this way. 00:51:39.001 --> 00:51:43.001 Yeah there's a very real equity argument around controlled digital lending and 00:51:43.001 --> 00:51:48.000 that comes through in all the conversations that we have. Absolutely. Yeah Tom 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:53.000 I'm interested in your perspective and your experience at Stanford is it similar 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.000 to what Tucker's describing in South Carolina? 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:03.000 It's a quarter unlike any other except for maybe spring. We're really concerned 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:09.001 with kind of two general cases of users. One is course reserves and we were over 00:52:09.001 --> 00:52:12.000 the summer trying to figure out how we were going to do course reserves. We 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.000 didn't know until about three weeks before who would be on campus if anyone. So 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.000 Stanford right now our graduate students are largely back on campus but 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.001 undergraduates are not. So we're trying to figure out how do we do course 00:52:24.001 --> 00:52:29.000 reserves. Can we do physical and we have this elaborate plan to do both physical 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:33.000 and digital until someone pointed out what Tucker just said is why would you give 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.000 a possibly infected book to another person that has it along every hour. So he 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.001 said oh let's just do digital. Though it did take us a while to get there. So we 00:52:42.001 --> 00:52:47.001 are doing only digital for course reserves. A lot of the instructors have really 00:52:47.001 --> 00:52:53.000 changed what they're putting onto their reading list and their syllabi but of 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.000 course that's you know they have sometimes years of instruction built around 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.001 particular cases. So that's easier said than done in some cases. So yeah we're 00:53:01.001 --> 00:53:06.000 really emphasizing digitized materials for course reserves for the first time 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.001 because we're just going live this week that is not playing a major factor but we 00:53:10.001 --> 00:53:14.001 do think for the remaining academic quarters of this year and we'll see what 00:53:14.001 --> 00:53:18.001 happens next year what that looks like. The other big case though we have is 00:53:18.001 --> 00:53:24.000 remote researchers. So in spring quarter we had probably 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.001 we have multiple cases of PhD candidates who were trying to finish their 00:53:28.001 --> 00:53:33.001 dissertation after seven or ten years of study. They needed one two or three 00:53:33.001 --> 00:53:37.001 books that only existed in hard copy in our library to complete their 00:53:37.001 --> 00:53:42.001 dissertation and they were not at Stanford and what were we going to do. So we 00:53:42.001 --> 00:53:46.001 have these really like I just need to check one citation I just need this one 00:53:46.001 --> 00:53:52.000 chapter what can we do. And so we think that's the other really big class of user 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:58.001 and that's one that we're gearing up to start supporting this week. I'd like to 00:53:58.001 --> 00:54:05.000 kind of follow that that line a bit with Lisa. So Tom you mentioned instructors 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.001 who are having to swap materials in and out based on availability and Lisa I'm 00:54:09.001 --> 00:54:12.001 curious if that's come up in the conversations you've had with among the 00:54:12.001 --> 00:54:16.001 educational community that you work with and is there I know that open 00:54:16.001 --> 00:54:20.000 educational resources and OER is something that's you know near and dear to your 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:25.000 heart. Are people starting to look for other kinds of materials to incorporate 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:30.000 into their courses. Absolutely I mean as I mentioned before I mean COVID has just 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.000 really served to kind of exacerbate a situation that's really inequitable around 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:40.001 access to education resources and so what we're finding again both on the K-12 00:54:40.001 --> 00:54:46.000 and higher ed side for example classroom teachers many of them left their you 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:50.001 know their classrooms with their their books for the you know for the year 00:54:50.001 --> 00:54:55.001 sitting on the shelves in their classrooms and so now they're able to find 00:54:55.001 --> 00:54:59.001 materials particularly through the Internet Archive and control digital lending 00:54:59.001 --> 00:55:06.001 that they can actually use again to create assignments from to assign 00:55:06.001 --> 00:55:12.000 to students to us you know certain passages of so you know overnight these 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:17.001 materials were just gone in particular again in the K-12 classrooms which aren't 00:55:17.001 --> 00:55:23.000 aren't very well resourced it was it was just absolutely critical to have these 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:29.000 kinds of materials for them and similar Tom you know we heard there were a lot of 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.001 stories of librarians helping desperate students finish their theses and their 00:55:32.001 --> 00:55:38.000 dissertations with missing resources that they had to get them in but they had no 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:43.001 no physical access to what's really interesting on the open educational resource 00:55:43.001 --> 00:55:50.001 side or OER is there has absolutely been an uptick in the folks who are now 00:55:50.001 --> 00:55:56.001 looking to our open education libraries because there are in fact textbooks that 00:55:56.001 --> 00:56:03.001 cover many many most of sort of the kind of first 00:56:03.001 --> 00:56:09.001 two years of college sort of general studies basic core courses and those 00:56:09.001 --> 00:56:14.001 textbooks are all freely available and we are now having students who are maybe 00:56:14.001 --> 00:56:19.000 there was a required physics books that did cost 400 dollars as Tucker said but 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:24.000 they're able to find for example an open stacks textbook which has roughly the 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:29.000 same material and enables them to you know study for their exams complete their 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:35.001 assignments with a resource that is absolutely freely available and openly 00:56:35.001 --> 00:56:42.001 licensed and can be adapted and for in for language use for additional examples 00:56:42.001 --> 00:56:49.000 for assessments so we're seeing this blend in a way that is terrific because it 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:55.000 really for us if you think about the issue being you know access to education and 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:01.001 democratizing that access to education really the the advent of CDL with 00:57:01.001 --> 00:57:06.001 open educational resources is kind of the perfect storm because even though from 00:57:06.001 --> 00:57:10.001 the open access advocates they'd rather see all of the textbooks be open right 00:57:10.001 --> 00:57:16.001 but that's not necessarily the case today in many many subject areas but if if 00:57:16.001 --> 00:57:22.000 faculty or teachers can be creating content that is openly licensed and even if 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:27.000 they are then needing a primary source and being able to point to whether it's a 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:33.000 passage or a preview or actually to go take that book out and check it out from a 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:39.000 library using controlled digital lending we've sort of begun to close the gap of 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:46.000 accessibility to education content so i i didn't mention at 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.000 the start but i i am a librarian and i actually got my start in academic 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:55.001 libraries when i was a student worker working in circulation so tucker i yeah yep 00:57:55.001 --> 00:58:00.001 i am very familiar with the from you know from that student worker perspective 00:58:00.001 --> 00:58:03.001 all the way up to you know working as an associate university librarian in an 00:58:03.001 --> 00:58:09.001 academic library and i always say that the library is where it all falls apart 00:58:09.001 --> 00:58:12.001 like students keep it together in the classroom but they come into their safe 00:58:12.001 --> 00:58:16.001 space in the library and you come to the front desk and it's the librarians that 00:58:16.001 --> 00:58:21.000 are at the front desk that actually end up with all of that stress and angst sort 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:27.000 of pouring out from them and so it's it's an incredibly stressful environment so 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.000 the those the the librarians and the educators that are working those front lines 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.000 you know in the classroom they're with the interactions with the students that's 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:39.001 a different kind of stress for the librarians than for like the than for the 00:58:39.001 --> 00:58:43.001 librarians who are a little bit more back office and behind the scenes and so 00:58:43.001 --> 00:58:48.001 jill i'm i'm curious from your perspective you know the consortia is more of a 00:58:48.001 --> 00:58:53.001 it's not quite as right in front with the you know meeting students where they 00:58:53.001 --> 00:58:58.001 are but i'm curious if if in fact the cdl has if you've gotten that sort of 00:58:58.001 --> 00:59:03.000 immediate feedback on your your operations in your activities and and how it's 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:10.000 helping yeah so um with our current easy borrow uh system 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.000 we had to shut it down as i mentioned earlier in terms of borrowing and lending 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:19.000 across the consortium and it's amazing to me uh it was sort of this moment of 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:23.001 recognition of just how much of a brand name that that that name easy borrow 00:59:23.001 --> 00:59:30.000 carries for our users um they were going into their libraries and saying you know 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.001 or rather emailing or trying to figure out you know how do i get this thing 00:59:33.001 --> 00:59:38.001 through easy borrow um and unfortunately it took a pandemic to sort of bring some 00:59:38.001 --> 00:59:43.001 of that to light but it really did um demonstrate i think just how meaningful the 00:59:43.001 --> 00:59:48.001 service was to so many of our users who really rely on it um as i mentioned you 00:59:48.001 --> 00:59:53.001 know we don't have a a consortial solution to control digital lending today i 00:59:53.001 --> 00:59:58.001 have been holding um for a while there are weekly meetings of our deans and 00:59:58.001 --> 01:00:03.001 directors um across the entire consortium who were meeting together to try and 01:00:03.001 --> 01:00:08.001 deal with some of these challenges because they were so um worried about how to 01:00:08.001 --> 01:00:12.001 provide services to their to their users and so i was hearing from deans and 01:00:12.001 --> 01:00:16.001 directors of lots of different libraries um about lots of different challenges 01:00:16.001 --> 01:00:23.001 budgetary and otherwise um and the the the issue that many of them are seeing is 01:00:23.001 --> 01:00:27.000 you know how do we continue to provide access to these investments that we've 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.001 we've made in in our in our physical buildings and how do we how do we provide 01:00:31.001 --> 01:00:36.001 that in a way that scales and um is an extension of what we're already doing and 01:00:36.001 --> 01:00:41.001 so that's the call i've been hearing from our library deans and directors um the 01:00:41.001 --> 01:00:46.001 consortium is a space where we often collectively license new material we we go 01:00:46.001 --> 01:00:51.000 out and we try to acquire collections together we try to buy them when we can but 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:55.000 there are many cases where they're just not available or where we already own 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:59.001 that print material and they can't justify another investment in that how do we 01:00:59.001 --> 01:01:03.000 go ahead and get that item we already own in the hands of the user that actually 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:07.001 needs it so that's what i'm hearing from our users um we've just started getting 01:01:07.001 --> 01:01:13.000 our resource sharing system back up and running in september we've got maybe two 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.001 -thirds of our libraries lending and borrowing again the the quantity though it's 01:01:17.001 --> 01:01:22.000 it's way down for what a typical fall would look like so we know there is need 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:26.001 there that's not being met um and and it's just really difficult to do that at 01:01:26.001 --> 01:01:32.000 scale some of our individual institutions have worked um in different ways of 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:35.001 providing materials to their users lots of a variety of different types of 01:01:35.001 --> 01:01:39.000 service models some of what you've heard here already um but they're really 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:43.001 looking to us for scale scalable solutions um and that's that's part of why we're 01:01:43.001 --> 01:01:48.000 really interested in working on project reshare and the open source uh resource 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:52.001 sharing community trying to supply those solutions those tools that people need 01:01:52.001 --> 01:01:56.001 um and we're not there yet unfortunately so i i hope that i hope that this is 01:01:56.001 --> 01:02:00.001 sort of a call to action for many of the folks on the call today to to get 01:02:00.001 --> 01:02:05.000 involved in those types of activities to support the development of innovation 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:10.000 and tools that that really will scale and help us um you know provide access to 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:16.000 materials yeah it's interesting uh jill that you use the the term investment 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.001 because that's one that we've used too in having conversations with policymakers 01:02:19.001 --> 01:02:24.000 and with you know members of congress and and staffers and it's it is a 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:29.001 bipartisan non-partisan uh approach that that really resonates when we when we 01:02:29.001 --> 01:02:33.001 talk about the massive investment that public institutions you know public 01:02:33.001 --> 01:02:38.001 universities public schools have made in their print resource materials that is 01:02:38.001 --> 01:02:43.001 an an enormous investment that in the early days of the of the pandemic were 01:02:43.001 --> 01:02:48.000 completely disconnected from the from the readers so you know the public had made 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.001 an investment in these resources and they didn't have access to them um and so 01:02:51.001 --> 01:02:55.001 that is a it's a it's a message that really resonates with uh with a number of 01:02:55.001 --> 01:03:00.001 people also to the point of budget um we've heard in our conversations as i'm 01:03:00.001 --> 01:03:06.000 sure many of you have that the um you know library budgets are you know rolled 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:11.001 back uh by 40 percent in the here's one one example was rolled back by 40 percent 01:03:11.001 --> 01:03:16.000 just to make it through the last fiscal year and now going forward or looking at 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:21.001 you know 25 to 30 percent permanent budget reductions and you know being an 01:03:21.001 --> 01:03:26.000 administrator former administrator in a library the the major parts were of where 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:32.001 those uh the the major buckets of uh of the budget is staff and uh and your uh 01:03:32.001 --> 01:03:37.000 database subscriptions and and collections um and no library wants either one of 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:42.001 those things to be i'd like to to move our conversation now um back to that that 01:03:42.001 --> 01:03:47.000 infrastructure and the scale jill that that you were talking about um you we've 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.000 mentioned a couple of times here project reshare um and uh and tom you mentioned 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.001 that uh that you and that jill and and sebastian are part of um a part of project 01:03:57.001 --> 01:04:03.000 reshare and of the cdli group that has come from that i wonder if the if the 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:07.001 three of you could sort of talk about what project reshare is maybe jill um uh 01:04:07.001 --> 01:04:14.000 could you could you start sure um so project reshare formed in around mid 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:20.001 2018 when a number of consortia resource sharing entities were coming together um 01:04:20.001 --> 01:04:27.000 hitting up against some challenges that we felt we were all facing um and a 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.000 number of my consortial colleagues some of whom are are listening here today um 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:36.001 uh really felt like we were we were hitting a wall that we couldn't sort of climb 01:04:36.001 --> 01:04:42.000 over and and in conversation with a number of technology providers including 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:46.001 sebastian and and index data we sort of came to the conclusion that we needed 01:04:46.001 --> 01:04:52.001 some alternative options for supportive resource sharing activities and libraries 01:04:52.001 --> 01:04:59.000 today and uh that sort of conversation really formed into what became project 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:04.001 reshare um i'm currently chair of the steering committee for the project and um 01:05:04.001 --> 01:05:10.001 so we've been in place now since uh we met in philadelphia area in 2018 01:05:10.001 --> 01:05:16.001 and just a little while ago at the end of august we released our first software 01:05:16.001 --> 01:05:21.001 product release reshare returnables 1. 0 which there's a press release on the on 01:05:21.001 --> 01:05:25.001 the website project reshare.org if you'd like to take a look and see a demo of 01:05:25.001 --> 01:05:31.001 that um but this this community really came together as a community um looking to 01:05:31.001 --> 01:05:37.000 only infrastructure that we were creating looking to provide connections with 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:41.001 lots of other systems taking system agnostic approaches to try and connect 01:05:41.001 --> 01:05:46.000 different libraries together and to allow us to continue to innovate in this 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:51.000 space and sebastian can really uh speak to to the innovation aspects of this some 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:55.000 of what we're trying to accomplish here but the thing that really just excited me 01:05:55.000 --> 01:06:01.000 about it was um the idea that we could address some of the concerns that many of 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:06.000 us were feeling around marketplace consolidation and um and the ability to 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:10.000 innovate on the services that we were providing to patrons and i think reshare 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:15.000 has this wonderful vision for how it can take resource sharing and make it really 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:20.000 a holistic piece of um of what we do of collections more generally than just sort 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:24.000 of the resource sharing transactional approaches that we tend to think of with 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:29.000 interlibrary lending so um maybe sebastian i'll turn it over to you to to fill in 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:33.000 some of the gaps there um sure that worked for you chris 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:42.000 um so that i mean that's a wonderful introduction to to the project jill from my 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:46.000 perspective as a technology is what's so exciting about reshare is the extent to 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:50.000 which it brings together a lot of different kind of players around the same table 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.000 so we've got technology developers and service providers we've got libraries we 01:06:54.000 --> 01:07:00.000 have consortia and what results is a really fruitful exciting conversation all 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.001 the way from a strategy level where does resource sharing fit into a larger 01:07:03.001 --> 01:07:07.001 picture of libraries working together and ultimately trying to break down 01:07:07.001 --> 01:07:11.000 barriers between collections and between individual libraries and their processes 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:17.001 all the way down to how we designed the software um the intersection with cdl to 01:07:17.001 --> 01:07:21.001 me is really interesting from a technology perspective because it actually kind 01:07:21.001 --> 01:07:28.000 of came about um we started talking about the impact of of covid i think as early 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:33.000 as around march and we could see that it was going to really mess up the spring 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:37.001 semester and it seemed very likely that it will last into the fall and at the 01:07:37.001 --> 01:07:42.000 time one of the main focal points of project reshare is to try to enable 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.001 libraries collectively to emulate some of the service experience that people have 01:07:46.001 --> 01:07:51.000 come to expect from amazon and from other uh kind of web scale providers of 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:56.000 services and one of the ways we do that is to try to create tools that allows 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.000 information and materials to flow between libraries in a really slick way so we 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:05.001 were actually going to spend a lot of this summer working on logistics and 01:08:05.001 --> 01:08:10.000 integration with shipping platforms we already have the mechanisms for request 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.000 management and placing orders and interacting with the library management system 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:19.000 to authenticate patrons and check materials out but we were really going to focus 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.001 on the practical material handling side of the project and boom the material 01:08:24.001 --> 01:08:29.000 handling side of consortia and interlending shutdown completely and we were kind 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.001 of left spinning our wheels um and that's when we started to talk about whether 01:08:33.001 --> 01:08:38.001 there was an opportunity for reshare to take a sideways step and and look into 01:08:38.001 --> 01:08:44.001 whether cdl could be part of the of the services that we that we provided and in 01:08:44.001 --> 01:08:50.001 my mind it kind of started as almost a hack if you will the idea was that we 01:08:50.001 --> 01:08:53.001 already had this technology that could interface with the library management 01:08:53.001 --> 01:08:59.000 system that had a model for managing patron requests for things so we could apply 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:04.000 that to supporting cdl by providing a front end to the through the library's 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:09.001 catalog and and enable the library to work through those processes but it became 01:09:09.001 --> 01:09:15.000 i think more than that as we started to dig into it we had a working group we 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.000 were lucky enough that duke university is part of project reshare so david hansen 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:23.001 volunteered to join a little working group together with other people from duke 01:09:23.001 --> 01:09:28.000 some people from new york university and we kind of sat down and and set out to 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:33.001 interpret the cdl white paper which i'm a huge fan i think it's just an awesome 01:09:33.001 --> 01:09:39.001 document and funny too um we set out to interpret that from a standpoint of 01:09:39.001 --> 01:09:44.000 technology and library workflows what does it actually mean to do cdl within a 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:49.001 library how does how does cdl match up with mechanisms for providing resource 01:09:49.001 --> 01:09:54.001 access in general loan rules circulation rules the role of the catalog and so on 01:09:54.001 --> 01:10:00.000 but and and we came came up with a really strong mission for that but more than 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:05.001 that we actually started to get really excited about sort of the the idea of 01:10:05.001 --> 01:10:10.001 libraries working together in a consortium or cross library boundaries to provide 01:10:10.001 --> 01:10:15.000 cdl services uh one of the things that reshare also does is it allows libraries 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:19.001 to communicate with each other using basically an open protocol a language that 01:10:19.001 --> 01:10:24.001 allows one library to place a request and to to track the exchange of the rights 01:10:24.001 --> 01:10:29.001 to a certain ip whether you're sending that physically or sending it virtually um 01:10:29.001 --> 01:10:33.001 so we started to see opportunities for libraries to share the workflows of 01:10:33.001 --> 01:10:38.000 scanning things that weren't already scanned of delivering materials very quickly 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.000 to a patron of one library if another library had a free copy of that material 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:49.000 using cdl um and it it just started to feel like there was a very natural matchup 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:56.000 between cdl as a service that libraries provide and consortial collaboration as a 01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:00.000 vehicle for libraries to do more stuff with less resources so that's the piece 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:04.001 that's really been exciting i think that it does feel like consortia have a huge 01:11:04.001 --> 01:11:09.000 role that they can potentially play in enabling libraries to do cdl better that 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:15.000 that's what we're hoping to pursue as well now you know i i do regular webinars 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:19.000 talking about how controlled digital lending works and i always love it when uh 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:23.001 attendees say well what about resource sharing or what about interlibrary loan it 01:11:23.001 --> 01:11:26.001 it's that point where it's like the light bulb has gone off and you figured out 01:11:26.001 --> 01:11:30.001 these you know how how to integrate control digital lending into these into 01:11:30.001 --> 01:11:34.001 workflows and where it really kind of makes sense and it's that at that sort of 01:11:34.001 --> 01:11:40.000 at scale approach absolutely one of the things that reshare enables us to do as a 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:44.001 community is that we can actually sit at the table with some of the very large 01:11:44.001 --> 01:11:49.001 semi-monopoly vendors that are developing a lot of library technology and and try 01:11:49.001 --> 01:11:53.001 to push them and nudge them so project reshare participates in some of the 01:11:53.001 --> 01:11:58.000 standards community around resource sharing there's a community around iso and 01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:03.000 niso that maintains the protocols that expresses how interlibrary lending happens 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:09.000 and we've been very deliberate pushing to have digital lending pushed into the 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.000 work stream for those protocols so we've actually had we've been successful in 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.001 adding data fields to the language that takes the computer to computer language 01:12:17.001 --> 01:12:23.000 to extend that to incorporate digital lending as well so that's been really great 01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:30.000 to see now um the uh jill and sebastian and tom you all uh 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:33.001 have at different times talked about project reshare and about cdli and so i 01:12:33.001 --> 01:12:37.001 wonder maybe tom or uh or one of you can you help us understand what's the 01:12:37.001 --> 01:12:42.001 difference between project reshare and the cdli group and and what's cdli uh 01:12:42.001 --> 01:12:49.000 doing yeah uh and and actually stanford is not a member of reshare which is maybe 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:55.001 why cdli exists because we were working early on um you know in april we started 01:12:55.001 --> 01:12:59.000 looking seriously at what controlled digital lending would look like and then 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:04.001 with conversations with jill and sebastian and colleagues at duke we realized we 01:13:04.001 --> 01:13:10.000 were really trying to walk the same path and um rather than have each uh 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:14.001 institution or each collaboration figure this out on their own as the internet 01:13:14.001 --> 01:13:18.000 archive did you know over the last nine or ten years we really benefit 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:23.000 collectively by having a community of practice and so that's controlled digital 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:28.000 lending implementers is meant to be exactly that so our tagline which perhaps 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:34.000 bruce will like is making cdl boring uh so when we can get over the hump of kind 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.001 of the thrill or the sensation or if you're not really sure you can talk about it 01:13:37.001 --> 01:13:41.001 or what does it actually mean if it just becomes a routine tool in everyone's 01:13:41.001 --> 01:13:47.000 toolbox that'll be really exciting and i think we'll succeed it um there is a uh 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:54.000 which i'll put into the chat there is a very simple bare bones google 01:13:54.000 --> 01:14:00.000 site um which actually jill uh pulled together based on a couple of google docs 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.001 that we pulled together there's an email list and the idea is that people join 01:14:04.001 --> 01:14:08.001 share their experiences share their needs share their questions we've had one 01:14:08.001 --> 01:14:13.001 orchestrated um forum so far where we had about 150 people show up and some 01:14:13.001 --> 01:14:17.001 lightning talks and we expect that this is just going to continue where the you 01:14:17.001 --> 01:14:20.001 know the answer is in the room and the room is all of us who are interested in 01:14:20.001 --> 01:14:24.001 controlled digital lending so if anyone is interested in joining i'll put out a 01:14:24.001 --> 01:14:29.001 call and sebastian or jill may want to uh color it or amplify it but uh please 01:14:29.001 --> 01:14:35.000 join and we can continue the work there collectively chris was one of the 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:40.000 featured speakers in our uh the first webinars for example yes uh thank you for 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.001 that invitation and actually and on the point of uh of joining um jill i wonder 01:14:44.001 --> 01:14:48.001 uh is this may be a good time to to make the announcement would you like to would 01:14:48.001 --> 01:14:54.001 you like to do it sure um so uh we're really delighted and thrilled to have the 01:14:54.001 --> 01:14:58.000 internet archive actually just joining project reshare as one of our founding 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:05.000 members we do have an open call for membership in the project and we were 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:10.000 just really excited to see internet archives application we think they have a lot 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:15.001 of expertise and experience that will really benefit our project down the road 01:15:15.001 --> 01:15:21.001 and anybody who joins as a member of project reshare has an opportunity to you 01:15:21.001 --> 01:15:27.000 know influence the future directions of project to help us shape the way that we 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:32.000 approach the problems that we're trying to solve as a community and um and 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:36.000 internet archive and chris and bruce share expressed their enthusiasm for the 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:40.001 vision that project reshare was putting forward as a community-owned resource 01:15:40.001 --> 01:15:45.000 sharing suite of tools so we're thrilled to have internet archive joining us and 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:50.000 this is the first announcement of that uh here today so thank you so much for for 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:55.000 for your membership in in reshare we're excited yeah we're excited too and thanks 01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:59.000 thanks for the announcement and thanks for thanks for having us you know thanks 01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:03.001 for entertaining our application and the conversation that that came from that 01:16:03.001 --> 01:16:07.001 you know the we're excited to be part of of this community of practice i mean 01:16:07.001 --> 01:16:12.000 because we've been you know again the the topic of resource sharing comes up 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.001 almost every single time i talk about controlled digital lending so there was 01:16:15.001 --> 01:16:20.000 this natural connection and for us it's great to be you know have a seat at the 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:25.001 table and be among these libraries that are building that next generation of of 01:16:25.001 --> 01:16:29.001 innovation tools around resource sharing so it's just really exciting and it was 01:16:29.001 --> 01:16:33.001 a it was a natural fit for us and really really happy that the the conversation 01:16:33.001 --> 01:16:39.000 was uh was positive all around so again thanks for thanks for letting us in and 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:45.001 we're excited about the about the work ahead i'd like to to to uh go to lisa 01:16:45.001 --> 01:16:50.001 uh now and talk a little bit about a different project uh in this community 01:16:50.001 --> 01:16:54.000 broader community of practice that's building around controlled digital lending 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.001 um and lisa this is the project that you've been working on the universal school 01:16:57.001 --> 01:17:02.000 library i wonder if you could you tell us about that yeah absolutely and it 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:06.001 sounds like we need to look more into project reshare as well given uh you don't 01:17:06.001 --> 01:17:11.000 want to make the the pitch not to leave out school libraries in the mix you know 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:16.000 school libraries often have outdated information systems uh there aren't 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:21.000 necessarily central even district never mind state coordination of sharing and 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:26.000 resharing we talked to some folks who don't even know that you know maybe their 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:29.001 school has access to things that the district or state has purchased so there 01:17:29.001 --> 01:17:35.000 there's a real need for cohesion uh around that kind of sharing which is really 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:42.000 the premise of the universal school library where um you know the real basis is 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.001 is that reading is fundamental to learning so now we're really talking about 01:17:45.001 --> 01:17:51.000 schools here in the k-12 environment and uh students if they don't have access to 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.001 school libraries there's been some really important studies that show that they 01:17:55.001 --> 01:18:00.000 lose the opportunity to develop uh inquiry skills media and digital skills 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:04.000 literacy skills all these things that are so critically important they're less 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:09.000 likely to read they're less likely to be well informed so you know this is really 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:14.000 driving the passion behind this idea to build a universal school library and it 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:18.001 is is in process uh there's i think there's about five thousand close to five 01:18:18.001 --> 01:18:25.000 thousand books today the goal is to have 15 000 high quality accessible titles 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:30.000 for starting with middle and high school and we worked we are working with a 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:34.001 group of diverse librarians across the country it includes urban and rural 01:18:34.001 --> 01:18:41.000 districts and areas and um curating them as good librarians do 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:46.001 uh around areas that are very specific to education in schools uh if they're not 01:18:46.001 --> 01:18:50.001 necessarily the same kind of categorization that would happen in a in a public 01:18:50.001 --> 01:18:57.000 library for example which is why we need uh sort of a a an intermediary or sort 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:02.000 of a translator between what school uh libraries really need for the teaching and 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:07.000 learning component versus what public libraries already have an offer so for 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:11.001 example um the three kind of pillars around the universal school library are 01:19:11.001 --> 01:19:17.000 academic literacy right that's kind of a main stay but then also the cultural 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:22.001 literacy and humanities is the second area and then career invocational literacy 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:28.001 and it's going to be across grade areas and the curation approach i should also 01:19:28.001 --> 01:19:34.000 say is really addressing issues around diversity equity and inclusion uh 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.000 questions like you know can can you search to see if the book is authored by 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:42.001 persons of color are there main characters in the book who are of color like how 01:19:42.001 --> 01:19:48.000 do we ensure that students who have not traditionally been represented in the 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:52.001 kinds of things that they read and are available to them are in fact are in fact 01:19:52.001 --> 01:19:58.000 there so the original um pilot of the usl and it's really a growing collection as 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:03.001 i said um it we started by cross-referencing um five different public school 01:20:03.001 --> 01:20:09.000 libraries with their books and also recommended books book lists um the 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:13.001 cooperative children's book center the young adult library services association 01:20:13.001 --> 01:20:18.001 for places like that but what i think is really key and exciting about the 01:20:18.001 --> 01:20:23.000 conversation that's happening right now on this panel is that as we actually 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:28.001 start to pilot it and we're going to pilot it with districts with across three 01:20:28.001 --> 01:20:33.001 different states we need to create these statewide consortia we need to be able 01:20:33.001 --> 01:20:38.001 to make sure that we've connected in these areas the school libraries to the 01:20:38.001 --> 01:20:42.001 public libraries and even to the state colleges and universities because when you 01:20:42.001 --> 01:20:48.000 think about it especially for all of our public education institutions that money 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.000 is typically provided by the state by tax dollars you know by the taxpayers of 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:59.000 that state and so how can we in fact and again listening to the project we share 01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:04.001 conversation very similarly how do we connect these in a way that we are in fact 01:21:04.001 --> 01:21:09.001 using the best of the public resources the public commons around uh you know 01:21:09.001 --> 01:21:15.000 dollars that have already been spent again i think uh with school libraries we 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:19.000 have an additional impediment that maybe places like stanford don't have which is 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.001 that we have a lot of antiquated library systems there's a lot of libraries who 01:21:23.001 --> 01:21:29.000 want school libraries that want to participate that don't even have any sort of 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:35.000 um it infrastructure support or admin support to even engage in this so um that's 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:40.001 not a deterrent it's just a reality and and how we really move forward to that is 01:21:40.001 --> 01:21:47.000 is sort of the next opportunity yeah i was struck um uh knowing what i know 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:51.000 about the universal school library when uh when jill and sebastian and tom were 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:55.000 talking about project reshare i was thinking there's some similar some parallels 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:59.001 to the universal school library certainly in terms of that like let's bring 01:21:59.001 --> 01:22:03.001 people together let's let's solve some of these challenges um at you know at 01:22:03.001 --> 01:22:08.001 scale and or find community solutions rather than going it alone that certainly 01:22:08.001 --> 01:22:13.001 is the is the thing that will scale for all of us i'm looking at the time i'd 01:22:13.001 --> 01:22:19.000 like to to maybe start moving now into just a more open conversation we have some 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:22.001 questions here there have also been some questions submitted throughout the 01:22:22.001 --> 01:22:27.000 throughout the session so let's just have a let's just keep going for you know 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:31.001 another 15 20 minutes or so with uh with the discussion and i'd like to turn to 01:22:31.001 --> 01:22:38.000 tucker um i'm let's let's talk about moving past go um like how how do 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:44.001 libraries uh make it happen uh like what were the conversations that you had 01:22:44.001 --> 01:22:49.001 internally uh that that got you from hey um i think this makes sense to let's do 01:22:49.001 --> 01:22:56.001 this sure um for us with our reserve situation it was very important to have the 01:22:56.001 --> 01:23:03.000 support of the library administration and um our legal uh council as well we 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.001 didn't want to do anything sneaky and surprise people you know we're librarians 01:23:06.001 --> 01:23:11.001 that's not how we play so um i'm very grateful that our scholarly communications 01:23:11.001 --> 01:23:16.000 librarian amy freeman spearheaded that she was very helpful in helping people 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:21.000 understand what this was about and why it was important um legal council at 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:26.000 universities are in the job of mitigating risk not uh letting you take risk it's 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:30.000 very rare that the institutional's interest are being thwarted it's so severely 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.001 that you need to consider exercising your rights in this way so i think that um 01:23:35.001 --> 01:23:40.001 uh you know this is a case where your mission is served by accepting a reasonable 01:23:40.001 --> 01:23:46.000 amount of risk and we um were able to i wouldn't say we got strong support but we 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:53.000 didn't uh get uh cut off either so um we wrote a proposal um we also 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:58.001 uh got a lot of help from other people to digitize the materials and get the work 01:23:58.001 --> 01:24:02.000 done so this is not something that circulation people were doing our digital 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:06.001 initiatives group was very uh instrumental in helping us so a lot of it was help 01:24:06.001 --> 01:24:11.001 from colleagues as well this would not be possible at a smaller institution what 01:24:11.001 --> 01:24:16.000 the way we did it the way we did it but um i think we're still in this process 01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:20.000 too we really um you know the solution that we have right now it takes a 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:25.000 herculean effort to get these materials into hottie trust and um i would prefer 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:30.000 to be able to do controlled digital delivery in a way that was more um you know 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:35.000 in control of my staff more sustainable less um effort 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:41.001 and uh is and less risk for hottie this is not what they signed up for and i'm 01:24:41.001 --> 01:24:47.000 grateful they're helping but um so uh that's that's sort of where we are right 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:53.001 now that issue of risk permeates every conversation and has come up here 01:24:53.001 --> 01:24:58.000 uh you know in the in the question submitted so i'm wondering maybe tom or jill 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:02.001 if if either one of you could uh could weigh in on that how you've had 01:25:02.001 --> 01:25:06.001 conversations both internally and with also with your um other libraries around 01:25:06.001 --> 01:25:13.001 that is issue of risk joe go ahead oh okay um so 01:25:13.001 --> 01:25:18.001 yeah risk comes up here all the time um and with 70 different members in this 01:25:18.001 --> 01:25:24.000 consortium there's such a wide variety of comfort levels with how we're going to 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:29.000 approach solutions in a controlled digital lending kind of world and it's really 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:35.000 critical that throughout all of this the technology helps us to um to to really 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:38.001 respect the rights of our publishers we are good partners with publishers we're 01:25:38.001 --> 01:25:42.001 constantly there trying to buy those materials we don't want to damage those 01:25:42.001 --> 01:25:47.001 relationships but at the same point we also need to be able to safely lend those 01:25:47.001 --> 01:25:51.001 materials with that controlled aspect of controlled digital lending in the same 01:25:51.001 --> 01:25:56.001 way that we do our print materials um uh you know through physical lending so 01:25:56.001 --> 01:26:01.001 what we're trying to accomplish um i i know inside of reshare anyway i'll just 01:26:01.001 --> 01:26:06.001 comment that we really want to build in flexibility so that individual 01:26:06.001 --> 01:26:11.001 institutions can apply the policies that they have locally and um make it so that 01:26:11.001 --> 01:26:16.000 it's comfortable for whatever level of risk they're willing to assume related to 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:22.000 the offering of any service whether that's the the lending of you know an article 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:27.001 or a physical item or a controlled digital lending transaction um so that's sort 01:26:27.001 --> 01:26:33.000 of what we've been talking about we're um likely in the next couple of weeks or a 01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:38.000 month or so going to pull together a controlled digital lending task force inside 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:41.000 of the consortium we've been starting to talk about this with some of our 01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.000 committees and the goal there is to bring together all of these different ideas 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:50.001 and to help facilitate conversations and minimize duplication of effort around 01:26:50.001 --> 01:26:54.001 how do you have these conversations with your library administration with your 01:26:54.001 --> 01:26:59.001 general counsel how do we as a consortium support and provide documentation about 01:26:59.001 --> 01:27:04.000 what this process should look like um you know are there shared policies that we 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:08.000 as a group want to agree to so those are the types of conversations that we're 01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:12.001 starting to have but it's all over the map in terms of where people's comfort 01:27:12.001 --> 01:27:18.001 levels lie and we just we really need tools that help us to facilitate differing 01:27:18.001 --> 01:27:25.001 levels of support based on those policies tom anything to to add 01:27:25.001 --> 01:27:32.001 to that uh i uh maybe the old saw that the the technology is the easy bit is more 01:27:32.001 --> 01:27:36.001 true here than anywhere else it's really all about your institutional policies 01:27:36.001 --> 01:27:40.001 and and your workflows once you get through there uh doing things digitally is 01:27:40.001 --> 01:27:44.001 not that hard we've been doing this for you know 20 years so a few wrinkles with 01:27:44.001 --> 01:27:50.000 controlling it and what what does it mean to hook into your circ system but um 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:55.001 we're we're taking it's just baby steps at stanford uh at this point everything 01:27:55.001 --> 01:27:59.001 that will go into control digital lending is being individually reviewed i think 01:27:59.001 --> 01:28:04.000 in most cases by two or three people for uh and we have a lot of people voting up 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:09.001 on copyright um and a lot of people voting up on how to do efficient searches at 01:28:09.001 --> 01:28:14.001 the marketplace to see what's out there but i mean we have one of the phd books 01:28:14.001 --> 01:28:19.001 or one of the phd candidates wanted a book on ethnography from 1954 in the 01:28:19.001 --> 01:28:25.001 yukatan so this has been out of print since 1954 um so one of the things that we 01:28:25.001 --> 01:28:29.001 did realize i will say as we were looking through this is that we've been maybe 01:28:29.001 --> 01:28:36.000 too conservative about copyright in general so section 107 is about fair use 01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:42.000 which is you know the predominant rationale behind um cdl but section 108 has a 01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:46.001 lot of carve outs for libraries and archives to support and as i was reading 01:28:46.001 --> 01:28:50.001 through it i said why are we why are we not making better use of this to serve 01:28:50.001 --> 01:28:55.001 our patrons and so i think we're we're looking much more aggressively at 01:28:55.001 --> 01:29:00.001 digitization across a broad front not just cdl moving forward keeping on that 01:29:00.001 --> 01:29:07.000 theme of uh of risk um this has also come up in a number of conversations and and 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:13.000 i'm curious maybe sebastian uh or tom um how are libraries speaking up about 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:18.000 their participation in uh in controlled digital lending or are they uh are are 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:24.000 they somewhat afraid of doing so oh just tom tom no doubt can answer 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:28.000 more clearly but i would just say it's and it's been an observation as we've 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:32.000 gotten into these conversations over the past several months that yes there's 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:36.001 there's a lot of concern about speaking in public and there is a lot of concern 01:29:36.001 --> 01:29:41.001 even internally amongst the people we we work with about the the talk the 01:29:41.001 --> 01:29:44.000 conversation they're going to need to sit down in half with the general counsel 01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:49.000 and and how you best present the case and and here again i think this this is a 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:55.001 big part of of the value of the cdl implement this group is to try to try to 01:29:55.001 --> 01:30:00.000 establish that kind of commonality of understanding the shared modeling because 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:05.000 all things being equal it's a lot easier to bring a concept to general counsel if 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:09.000 it's well understood and boring as tom says than if it's something that 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:13.000 everybody's making up on their own figuring out the technology just winging it uh 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:18.001 the the trick is to make this an everyday thing and a well understood thing and 01:30:18.001 --> 01:30:23.000 bridging the gap from my perspective between the the white paper and what it 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:27.000 actually looks like within a library what the controls and mechanisms are you 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:32.000 have for managing it um how you can still how you can share resources with other 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:37.000 libraries while still preserving protecting the needs of your faculty and your 01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:41.001 own your old students and and how you can manage risk and and the parameters that 01:30:41.001 --> 01:30:45.000 you want to be able to set to control which part of your collections you make 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:48.001 available for cdl at any given time which might change right so anything if 01:30:48.001 --> 01:30:52.001 there's anything we learned through covid it's that your situation can change 01:30:52.001 --> 01:30:57.001 within the semester month to month you might have to down certain parts of your 01:30:57.001 --> 01:31:04.001 collection open up other parts and do that in a very dynamic way yeah 01:31:04.001 --> 01:31:11.000 um i had uh um uh actually uh tucker um i think you have something uh 01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:17.001 to to talk about in terms of risk as a librarian not a lawyer who often helps 01:31:17.001 --> 01:31:20.001 other librarians understand what our rights are under copyright i think it's 01:31:20.001 --> 01:31:24.000 important for the librarians out there to realize there's lots of opportunities 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:29.001 for education and that a lot of times when people talk about risks they talk 01:31:29.001 --> 01:31:34.000 about like some sort of scary monster and they don't really understand what risks 01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:39.000 they are assuming so you need to not assume that you're going to have your 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:43.000 firstborn child taken out into the field and shot you need to understand what 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:48.000 risk you're undertaking in copyright law you know we're the people who came up 01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:52.001 with music cataloging copyright law is not that hard we just need to get the work 01:31:52.001 --> 01:31:57.000 done you know circulation librarian just go get the work done so lots of 01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:02.001 opportunities for librarians to learn more about copyright actually tucker you uh 01:32:02.001 --> 01:32:09.000 you gave uh on that issue of uh of copyright you gave an interesting vignette 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:15.000 from your library experience about your copier uh last week are you are you at 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:20.000 liberty to talk about your your copier issue i don't know who's going to stop me 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:26.000 um but the uh yeah last week we were working on scanning the covers of our books 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:30.000 to send to our cataloging department so that they could catalog books without 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:34.000 having to physically exchange books during a pandemic which is a very reasonable 01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:40.001 fair use and uh books from mcmillan were not scanning on our copier because 01:32:40.001 --> 01:32:46.001 they were covered by copyright um i had thoughts and feelings about this 01:32:46.001 --> 01:32:52.001 so um they were not positive but yeah i it concerns me that we are paying for use 01:32:52.001 --> 01:32:56.000 of a copier and that there are controls being put on it i don't know what kind of 01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:00.000 contract we sign you know i'm part of a giant organization that does a lot of 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:04.001 wonderful wonderful work and i'm sure the people who um are doing this work um 01:33:04.001 --> 01:33:08.001 don't understand all the implications of what we're doing but you know do the 01:33:08.001 --> 01:33:12.001 publishers pay the copiers to put that software on if so why should i have to pay 01:33:12.001 --> 01:33:16.001 them again for that there's just i have a lot of questions that i don't have 01:33:16.001 --> 01:33:21.000 answers to yet because i've been very busy helping students wear their masks yeah 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:27.001 thank you for for doing that and and just that that story is uh uh interesting i 01:33:27.001 --> 01:33:31.000 guess maybe we can just just leave it at that um we've had a couple of questions 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:36.001 that have come in uh through the from the q&a that i'd like to to bring up here 01:33:36.001 --> 01:33:42.001 one of those was answered in writing but the our q&a actually doesn't carry 01:33:42.001 --> 01:33:47.000 through to the to the video so i'd like to to recover this or to cover it here 01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:51.000 live and it's a question from tod carpenter uh and tod asks i'm wondering what 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:55.001 technologies or standards are necessary to support the infrastructure to support 01:33:55.001 --> 01:34:00.000 cdl are there things that extend beyond existing resource sharing standards that 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:04.001 might be necessary or useful and coming from a standards-based organization i 01:34:04.001 --> 01:34:09.001 think that's a great question to ask and thanks for doing so tod uh tom uh 01:34:09.001 --> 01:34:14.001 sebastian or anyone else do you want to uh want to throw in there i can take a 01:34:14.001 --> 01:34:20.000 first first shot i think the the initial step we took was was simply to look at 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:25.000 as some of the standards that are currently used to express a request and the 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:29.000 delivery of physical materials and look at what it would take to extend that to 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:33.001 uh to model a digital lens and i think the first step has been taking them in 01:34:33.001 --> 01:34:38.000 that direction but there's no doubt still kind of work to be done um but i think 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.000 it is it is really interesting to ask the question that tod does like what are 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:44.001 what are some other things that could be done at a standards level to facilitate 01:34:44.001 --> 01:34:50.001 this um should we look at the way that we describe the services made available by 01:34:50.001 --> 01:34:55.001 library uh service directories to incorporate digital lens as part of the 01:34:55.001 --> 01:35:00.001 services that a library can offer most importantly though i think i think tod's 01:35:00.001 --> 01:35:06.000 point is important because standards are the best way or one of the best ways 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:11.001 that we have to avoid this becoming the property of a single large vendor the 01:35:11.001 --> 01:35:16.000 library technology marketplace has increasingly become dominated by a very small 01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:22.001 number of technology companies and most of them at this point are closely tied to 01:35:22.001 --> 01:35:26.001 some of the companies that sell content to libraries that creates i think a very 01:35:26.001 --> 01:35:32.000 real danger that those companies end up defining that that boring normality 01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:36.001 that's that that tom was talking about that ultimately the leading library 01:35:36.001 --> 01:35:41.000 technology provider ends up kind of making the roadmap the standards community 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:45.000 provides a really strong way for all of us to get around get around the table and 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.001 say well what do we need for this to do to deliver good services to our patrons 01:35:48.001 --> 01:35:55.001 and i'd love to see more conversation about it tom anything to 01:35:55.001 --> 01:36:00.000 to add there yeah i i think this is perhaps the single most important 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:05.000 conversation that we can and should be having right now i i think we we want a 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:09.001 robust ecosystem is one that has lots of copies and lots of approaches and lots 01:36:09.001 --> 01:36:14.000 of players we certainly don't want lockup and we should be comparing notes and 01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:19.001 devising interoperability from the get-go not backing into it later on so this 01:36:19.001 --> 01:36:23.000 really i think is a very important priority for anyone involved in this space and 01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:30.000 it would be great to see nyso or or others join in the forums build smart from 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:33.001 the start was the way that i heard someone describe it and i i think that's uh 01:36:33.001 --> 01:36:38.001 that's a great way especially as we're building building these new systems so um 01:36:38.001 --> 01:36:43.000 something that i want to make sure that we're clear on is that you know the the 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:47.001 control digital lending and the work that libraries do supports uh that ecosystem 01:36:47.001 --> 01:36:53.001 uh that exists with creators and publishers and libraries that that triangle of 01:36:53.001 --> 01:36:58.001 the information creation and management that has existed for a very long period 01:36:58.001 --> 01:37:05.001 of time for centuries and um it i'm curious if anyone has thoughts on 01:37:05.001 --> 01:37:09.001 playing as part of that ecosystem you know how can we find these win-win 01:37:09.001 --> 01:37:14.000 solutions with the publishers and with creators and with among libraries um so 01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:18.001 that we can so that that everyone can understand that cdl is a system that helps 01:37:18.001 --> 01:37:25.000 and doesn't hurt any thoughts on on that particular point it's a big topic 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.000 and a big a big challenge 01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:33.001 i'll take a stab 01:37:33.001 --> 01:37:39.000 at that thanks um i think there are lots of opportunities uh the control digital 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.001 lending white paper talks about the 20th century problem where there's so many 01:37:42.001 --> 01:37:47.000 books that are no longer economically viable that we don't have electronic access 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:50.001 to which means the work of many of my faculty which should matter is not 01:37:50.001 --> 01:37:55.001 accessible to people digitally um i think another opportunity that we have is 01:37:55.001 --> 01:38:02.000 that not every book is born with a financial incentive for publishers to take it 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:06.000 on and and try to distribute it widely and i think libraries have a real 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:10.000 opportunity to step up and promote local collections or works from 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:14.000 underrepresented groups be able to work directly with self-published authors on 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:18.001 issues that publishers aren't necessarily interested in because they're not 01:38:18.001 --> 01:38:22.000 lucrative and that's reasonable that's not what they should be doing that's what 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:26.000 libraries should be doing and i think having the ability to work directly with an 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:30.000 author and say hey this book about um african-american history in lower richland 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.001 county south carolina is important and we want to make sure that we treat it 01:38:33.001 --> 01:38:37.000 responsibly and we're not taking more from this person than we should of their 01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:41.000 rights so we want to be able to check it in and out just like a library we just 01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:45.001 want to be a library so i think that it would help us address equity issues in 01:38:45.001 --> 01:38:49.001 our collection development i think it would help us provide access to important 01:38:49.001 --> 01:38:56.000 scholarly works gill go ahead please well i love tucker's answer 01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:01.000 but um i i would just add on to that that you know publishers are facing a 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:06.001 variety of problems too i regularly speak with university press publishers um and 01:39:06.001 --> 01:39:11.000 the challenges that they face in choosing which uh which items to publish and and 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:15.001 how to support that from an academic standpoint there are real opportunities for 01:39:15.001 --> 01:39:21.000 us to have collaboration around some of these topics and to figure out where our 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:27.001 shared problems are there's certainly an element um of of looking at our data and 01:39:27.001 --> 01:39:32.001 trying to determine you know what do we need to have that we don't have today i 01:39:32.001 --> 01:39:36.001 regularly look at our usage statistics here within my consortium to look at 01:39:36.001 --> 01:39:41.000 what's being lent as a way of deciding what i should buy even if it is something 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:45.001 that's older um and and i think that there there are many opportunities like that 01:39:45.001 --> 01:39:51.001 to have these types of conversations and to build um opportunities for for trust 01:39:51.001 --> 01:39:56.001 and um to to have just honest and open conversations about what it is that each 01:39:56.001 --> 01:40:01.000 of us is trying to do and the rights that we have in terms of the approaches that 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:07.000 we take um so i i i guess i would just add on to what tucker already said um to 01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:10.001 just say that i think there are all kinds of opportunities for collaboration here 01:40:10.001 --> 01:40:14.001 we often set it up as an us versus them and that's really unfortunate i i don't 01:40:14.001 --> 01:40:20.000 think that's the way um that we have successful um programs and services i i've 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.000 had most success when i've been able to have conversations with publishers 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:28.001 directly um and we often find common understanding and approaches that they're 01:40:28.001 --> 01:40:32.001 willing to try and and i think there are all kinds of opportunities in the space 01:40:32.001 --> 01:40:38.000 for that as well now lisa i'm curious from an educational perspective i mean 01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:42.001 again given that your uh you know background largely is in open right with uh 01:40:42.001 --> 01:40:49.001 with oer how does um how does open play in uh in this uh ecosystem and you know 01:40:49.001 --> 01:40:56.000 what what is the win-win for publishers in in education um 01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:03.000 so as somebody who is uh very much steeped in open access uh you know 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:10.000 open educational resources are in some ways sort of the uh you know on the on 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:15.001 the uh on the line here they're absolutely the best solution in terms of 01:41:15.001 --> 01:41:21.001 democratizing access to education uh not just be it has it has almost it's 01:41:21.001 --> 01:41:25.001 equally important around the affordability issue which of course uh you know 01:41:25.001 --> 01:41:29.001 we're talking about revenues and publishers but even more important than that is 01:41:29.001 --> 01:41:35.001 the issue around the adaptability and the collaboration uh around content and how 01:41:35.001 --> 01:41:40.001 you improve content over time in the continuous learning aspects of of education 01:41:40.001 --> 01:41:47.000 and how that has to be embedded into sort of the the public commons with the idea 01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:52.000 that education is a human right for example so when you take that all the way to 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:59.000 the extreme uh you know the idea of um of what you know the risk 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:02.001 a publisher has obviously the risk a publisher has is the same risk that 01:42:02.001 --> 01:42:08.000 newspapers have today or others where uh you know in some cases the very best 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:13.001 content is openly and freely available openly licensed and freely available uh 01:42:13.001 --> 01:42:19.001 you know that being said um there's the reality of not just you know that there 01:42:19.001 --> 01:42:24.001 is a market and and and there are publishers who are helping authors uh make a 01:42:24.001 --> 01:42:29.000 living and not to mention books that have already been written and i don't just 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:35.000 mean the ones uh 75 years ago but you know books that are 20 30 10 years old and 01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:41.000 we absolutely need access to those and controlled digital lending is actually 01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:46.000 just it's just kind of the perfect solution because it's a perfect blend of open 01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:53.000 and uh and proprietary in that sense because there are in fact many educators who 01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:58.001 are creating terrific content around these kind of primary source books that have 01:42:58.001 --> 01:43:03.001 been bought by libraries so it's really still helping the whole publishing 01:43:03.001 --> 01:43:07.001 ecosystem when we look at the blends of these and it's not about being purist and 01:43:07.001 --> 01:43:12.000 saying if it's not openly licensed we won't use it it's about saying again how do 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:17.000 we in fact uh you know achieve sort of the highest goals around teaching and 01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:23.001 learning that's great thank you so um as we wind down here today 01:43:23.001 --> 01:43:28.001 uh thanks everyone for a spirited conversation what i'd like to do is offer 01:43:28.001 --> 01:43:34.000 everyone a final moment to sort of bring things together um and uh and maybe set 01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:40.001 the stage for uh for what happens uh in our library lives and our work next so um 01:43:40.001 --> 01:43:46.001 tucker uh uh final thoughts from you i would just like to say how i'm encouraged 01:43:46.001 --> 01:43:51.000 i am to hear all the hard work that other people are doing to try to help us get 01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:55.000 our work done and help our patrons all of us together and it's one of the great 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:59.001 things about being a librarian and i feel like um you know just to echo what jill 01:43:59.001 --> 01:44:04.001 said publishers are definitely not the enemy um they add value and finding a way 01:44:04.001 --> 01:44:08.000 that we can all come together on this i think as long as we keep working at it is 01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:15.000 going to happen how about you tom uh i would just add uh two more 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:20.000 considerations for why cdl now and one is environmental a lot of our lending 01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:26.001 partners are on the right side of the um the east coast and it makes no sense at 01:44:26.001 --> 01:44:31.000 all to ship a book 3 000 miles uh in this day and age i mean they're just so such 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:34.001 obviously better ways of doing this so i i really hope that that can come 01:44:34.001 --> 01:44:38.001 together the other is special collections there are stuff there is a lot of stuff 01:44:38.001 --> 01:44:42.000 that was very small run was never meant to be widely produced widely distributed 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:47.000 or only exists in local pockets and the opportunities to apply cdl to these is 01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:53.000 just fantastic so um my biggest hope for the next year because i think we are in 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:56.001 a moment and it's it's a moment that won't last forever is that we can really 01:44:56.001 --> 01:45:00.000 bring these conversations plans and developments out into the open and do it as a 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:05.000 community libraries are very good at it and we should do it now thanks for that 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:10.000 tom yeah let's uh let's have this conversation uh in the light of day uh and not 01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:15.001 in the shadows uh jill how about you final thoughts i'll add a third 01:45:15.001 --> 01:45:20.000 consideration to what tom's uh first two were and i i think that's accessibility 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:25.000 of our collections we have a number of patrons who for whatever reason can't come 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:31.001 into the library even outside of covid um and and this is one other way of 01:45:31.001 --> 01:45:36.001 bringing about equitable access to our patrons um so i would encourage us to 01:45:36.001 --> 01:45:39.001 continue having the conversation in that space internet archive has done a great 01:45:39.001 --> 01:45:44.001 job of making items accessible i think this is a space where we could all benefit 01:45:44.001 --> 01:45:49.000 from you know your experience and hopefully make our collections more accessible 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:54.000 too um and then lastly i would just say you know work through your your groups of 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:58.000 libraries that you're you're collaborating with as a way of reducing duplication 01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:03.001 of effort um it's it's really common for institutions to try and go it alone and 01:46:03.001 --> 01:46:07.001 i'm really encouraged again by all of the collaboration i'm seeing in this space 01:46:07.001 --> 01:46:13.000 you know come to the cdli meetings come to these library leader forums and just 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:16.001 be involved and hear what's going on i think there's a variety of folks out there 01:46:16.001 --> 01:46:21.000 looking to work together and that's exciting so um so work through your consortia 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:25.000 and uh and and i know that there are many consortia out there trying to have 01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:31.001 these conversations together um to to reduce that duplication of effort thanks 01:46:31.001 --> 01:46:36.001 joe how about you lisa final thoughts yeah um well i want to echo something that 01:46:36.001 --> 01:46:40.001 bruce just said at the very beginning he said you know controlled analog lending 01:46:40.001 --> 01:46:46.000 is now just lending uh controlled digital lending is just lending the same 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:51.000 principles have to apply and that what we're trying to do here and maybe we don't 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:54.001 say this explicitly because because of the risk but we're trying to change a 01:46:54.001 --> 01:46:59.000 system and we're trying to change how a system works so we need to work across 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:03.001 stakeholder groups we need to involve educators and students in this process and 01:47:03.001 --> 01:47:08.001 we need to change the policies that in fact keep a very inequitable system in 01:47:08.001 --> 01:47:13.001 place so for me uh it is about access and equity really at its core 01:47:15.001 --> 01:47:21.001 how about you sebastian final thoughts i would offer a perspective i guess uh 01:47:21.001 --> 01:47:25.001 everybody is being challenged right now in this conversation by this group and 01:47:25.001 --> 01:47:30.000 and others to have an opinion about something that is is kind of new and 01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:34.000 undiscovered country a little bit um and that's hard when you're also trying to 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:39.000 run a library under really difficult circumstances um it's it's it's a challenge 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:45.000 um the cdl white paper really opens up a whole new country in a new a new vector 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:50.000 for us to deliver services and those of us who are here right now at the table 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:54.001 participating engaging have a huge opportunity to shape what that's going to look 01:47:54.001 --> 01:47:59.001 like over the next 10 15 years so i would just encourage people to to to make 01:47:59.001 --> 01:48:04.001 their efforts and to dive in to read the white paper as jill says to engage with 01:48:04.001 --> 01:48:11.001 your collaborators uh vendors partners consortial partners and 01:48:11.001 --> 01:48:15.000 challenge each other to to really dig into it because i think we have a huge 01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:20.000 opportunity to shape where this goes but it's not without challenges it does 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:25.000 really require all of us to to make the effort but but man what great 01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:31.001 opportunities to to provide new value well thank you all for uh 01:48:31.001 --> 01:48:36.001 panelists for uh for your participation your time your your thoughts and sharing 01:48:36.001 --> 01:48:40.000 your experience today i know i've learned a lot and we've gotten some great 01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:44.001 feedback and some good tweets so thank you again for your time and i'd like to 01:48:44.001 --> 01:48:50.000 throw to bruister for for some final thoughts to to tie it in a bow for us today 01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:56.000 thank you chris and thank you all we're all lovers of books here um and the ideas 01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:00.000 we really want books to continue being an important part of the knowledge 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:06.000 ecosystem and right now in the digital world it's not happening enough um the 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:12.000 it's difficult to buy ebooks um in fact often books are not even available for 01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:17.001 sale um for sale like really for sale um or they're sort of bound up in these 01:49:17.001 --> 01:49:23.001 sort of strange monopoly distribution systems um which um really hurt 01:49:23.001 --> 01:49:28.000 preservation and enduring access we have a generation now that are turning their 01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:32.001 screens to answer questions and we're giving them wikipedia which is awesome 01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:38.000 let's give them more than that let's give them deeper um things let's get them 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:44.001 access to materials and controlled digital lending is actually kind of lame um it 01:49:44.001 --> 01:49:51.001 is kind of hard to use it is not a pleasurable experience it is really 01:49:51.001 --> 01:49:58.001 far from going and saying to my car play um buffalo spring field okay so you know 01:49:58.001 --> 01:50:03.001 what am i okay um and it just doesn't happen quite that way but controlled 01:50:03.001 --> 01:50:07.000 digital lending is a step in that direction we're all struggling for relevance 01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:12.000 and i would say to the publishers really also have to really rethink themselves 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:16.000 as to how they're going to distribute their works and how libraries are going to 01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:21.000 distribute works to be relevant to a generation that is busy often just on a 01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:28.000 phone and the like so cdl is a step but it's a small step um let's take this step 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:33.000 together and let's try to figure out all in all how to build an an ecosystem for 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:37.001 really high quality materials to get out to everybody and this has been a 01:50:37.001 --> 01:50:43.001 terrific session i look forward to next tuesday session thanks bruce sir um and 01:50:43.001 --> 01:50:48.000 on that i'd like to uh uh should go back to sharing my screen i'd like to give 01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:53.000 people just a couple of final updates uh to bring this session to a close so 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:57.001 thanks again uh everyone for participating thank you audience and attendees for 01:50:57.001 --> 01:51:02.000 uh for your time and your attention uh we've had a great number of people who've 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:05.000 stayed with us through to the end so thank you for that i want to set the stage 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:09.001 for for next tuesday so um this will be our impact session we're going to bring 01:51:09.001 --> 01:51:14.001 it all together so i mentioned um earlier that we've awarded that that michelle 01:51:14.001 --> 01:51:21.000 woo will receive the internet archive hero award and she will accept the award at 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:27.000 that session next week and she'll also give us a little lecture about her about 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:32.000 her work which i think is going to be really good we also have a a special 01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:37.001 announcement in store for next week and so we'll be we'll be alluding to that a 01:51:37.001 --> 01:51:42.000 little bit more as we as we go through the through the next week but uh stay 01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:45.001 tuned for that you don't want to miss the session uh next tuesday you can 01:51:45.001 --> 01:51:51.001 continue you can still register registrations open at libraryleadersforum.org um 01:51:51.001 --> 01:51:56.000 and then just a a final note this session has been recorded and we will share 01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:01.000 that recording out probably on thursday that's about the time that it takes for 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:06.000 us to get captions back so we'll have um accessible captions for the video we'll 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:11.001 blog about it we'll send uh all of you who are attending an email with a link to 01:52:11.001 --> 01:52:17.001 the session and with a blog cap repo a blog post recap um and a final note um use 01:52:17.001 --> 01:52:24.000 the empowering uh empowering library's hashtag on twitter uh to uh to keep the 01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:28.001 conversation going from this point forward so thank you all again for your time 01:52:28.001 --> 01:52:33.001 your attention today and i look forward to uh carrying on this conversation over 01:52:33.001 --> 01:52:36.001 the next week and i hope to see many of you uh next week 01:52:36.001 --> 01:52:38.000 at our next session thanks again